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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports well you know what I'm here

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inside my trailer and there's something

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big and hairy outside I can see him

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through the window

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and he and he shaking the the trailer oh

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my god he's gonna turn it over he's huge

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and smelly and it looks like a giant ape

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maybe this is maybe this is one of these

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bigfoot-type creatures I I did find a

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nest out back and I found some

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footprints and the soft soil so I think

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maybe I don't know how to capture one of

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these or even if I should perhaps we'll

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ask our guest tonight would you say Tim

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maybe I should ask the guest you gotta

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catch him if you have the opportunity

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it's really special when you can

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actually capture one well I I don't know

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they're they're really huge and I don't

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know whether they're deadly or not do

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you think they're deadly occasionally

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they're known to rip people's arms off

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and beat them with their own fists so I

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would say probably a little boy oh boy

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so Tim why don't you tell us who who our

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guests are this evening before I get my

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arms ripped off I guess Bigfoot got him

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I have to beat the the the clock well I

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know we have Peter Bernard who's a

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actually a friend of mine and associate

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when you go to youtube and you check on

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our videos and look at the very fancy

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animation that's been done

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peter is responsible for that because he

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is one of the best I would say animators

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or cartoonist I want to find out exactly

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what he identifies himself as because

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what what do you identify yourself as as

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a writer but that's a great well you

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animation is not as good as the

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animation in Seth's movies I love the

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creepy animation in Seth's movies but

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you haven't introduced them yet and if

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we if we don't find Tim in a while what

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the heck

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anyway we also have Seth with us this

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evening who is a movie maker and and

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he's made I don't know how many films

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have you made up to the date there since

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I'm editing a film about the flatwoods

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monster which will be our sixth but

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that's one of my favorite classic UFO

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stories Tim are you there well he's

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thought all right I'm here can you hear

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me well now we can

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why don't you officially officially tell

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us who we have on this evening yeah well

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I think I had a Bigfoot my internet

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cable there you might have to use the

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telephone like a lot of other guests do

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okay anyway Seth why don't you give us a

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little bit of your background sure sure

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yeah I'm a well first of all my name is

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Seth Breedlove and I'm a film director

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occasional writer and I've been doing a

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series called small town monsters for

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about three years now we we made a movie

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called Minerva monster and beast of

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Whitehall another one called boggy creek

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monster which we discussed with you guys

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actually on the show and this year we've

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released the mosque the mosque manna

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really saying invasion on Chestnut Ridge

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next weekend and mostly they are

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small-town monster stories located in

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like rural communities that focus on the

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impact of a

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legends on on the surrounding area and

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film my background is actually newspaper

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journalism and writing more so than than

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filmic I've only been doing this this

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for about three years now and I'm all

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entirely self-taught at this point well

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they're just like I I used to do with

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Tim we did a series of horror movies and

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were pretty self taught and they still

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came out pretty great I didn't on this

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they're still up there and making it

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making the the rounds how did you pick

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the the subject that matter um the the

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whole thing started out as a book

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proposal called small town monsters and

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I picked these particular stories

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because they were ones that I I had kind

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of learned about myself when I was first

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getting into like Bigfoot and the

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paranormal and I believe I did have the

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Mothman story and the flatwoods story in

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my book proposal because those are

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stories that I've always kind of loved

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especially Mothman I don't think at the

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time I was very aware of of flatwoods or

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at least not as aware of it as I am

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today but the Mothman story has always

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been a big influence on me because the

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the Mothman Prophecies film is one of

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the things that kind of got me into all

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this stuff and so yeah I picked the

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subject matter just because I loved the

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bizarre and I I haven't been super into

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this in a major way for all that long

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there but I just love the I the idea of

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the unexplained okay flatwoods now that

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that's one of my my favorite small-town

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monsters I was fairly good friends with

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the late publisher great Barker in fact

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he published my first three books and

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that was the incident down in Braxton

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County West Virginia that propelled him

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into the field what did you it

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place well in 1953 1952 yeah okay

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well why don't you tell us a little bit

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about the flatwoods well woods the

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flower woods monster was a basically on

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this September night in 1952 these kids

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were playing on a football field at the

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base of this large hill in the town of

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flatwoods West Virginia which is kind of

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in the middle of nowhere it's also very

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close to the dead center geographical

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center of the state of West Virginia but

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that's neither here or there

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they were playing football they see this

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strange sort of fireball streak across

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the sky and as kids do they decided they

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wanted to go investigate it so they they

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wandered up to the top of the hill along

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the way picking up two additional

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members of their group one of their

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mothers and a family friend an older boy

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named Jean and they all they all head up

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to the top of this hill and when when

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they get up to the top of the hill they

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notice this strange sort of mist

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hovering in the air they smell a

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horrific odor and they they walk a

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little further and somewhere around that

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time they noticed this large I hesitate

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to call it a creature because that's not

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necessarily what they described seeing

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that it was a maybe a form of rocket

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ship but not so much of a physical being

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did they see a thruster on the bottom I

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mean that they see it take off for now

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when it comes to when it comes to the

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actual events all they really remember

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is it hovering toward them like it was

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just hovering above the ground and then

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it came toward them they definitely

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recall it more as a rocket in fact we

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just interviewed both of the may boys

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while they're not boys now obviously but

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we interviewed both of the maize and

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they were called that what they

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described was basically like a v2 rocket

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with two portholes near the top where

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could see light emanating from out of it

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Fred Fred May and Edie May Edie Edie has

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never actually told his story or his

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version of a story on camera before so

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that was pretty cool that to actually

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get to talk to them about it but yeah

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basically they see this floating v2

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rocket come at them and they tear off

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down the hill and and and honestly the

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story kind of ends there for for most

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people that's kind of a common legend

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that people know about but there's some

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additional elements to the story that

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are kind of fascinating and and we'll

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whether are there more than the two

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witnesses that are still living there is

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another witness by the last name of

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shaver who's still around but

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unfortunately I haven't been able to

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track him down he actually is somewhere

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here in Ohio I just haven't been able to

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to turn him up but other than other than

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those three I'm not aware of any that

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are still living you know this is 1952

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and a lot of that's going on but now who

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was the the the woman the elderly woman

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that would be and that would actually be

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and she was there as well with them that

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night and she passed away and I want to

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say it wasn't that long ago I want to

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say about a decade ago maybe but it's

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not you know unfortunately we'll

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probably not be able to hear from her in

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the movie unless I can turn up some

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audio taped interviews which is actually

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a possibility so when I was there wasn't

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there a TV show that they were on back

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1950s which sort of distorted the the

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description of what the creature looked

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that they obviously had audio with that

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called We the People which was actually

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We the People but but it was on NBC they

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were on the show I want to say two or

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three days after

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the initial sighting and the the editor

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from the Braxton County Democrat or the

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Braxton Democrat went with them and he's

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actually the one or someone at the paper

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is the one that drew the illustration of

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the flatwoods monster the kind of

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everyone connects to what the flatwoods

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monster looks like but it's not really

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what they described he drew facsimile of

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what they were claiming to see but it

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was much more you know trumped-up and

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than what they actually claimed to have

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seen so they they went on the show and

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after that it kind of became a viral

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story and became very popular in fact I

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mean I've done some newspaper archival

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research on the story and there are

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newspaper articles from around the

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country because it must have hit the AP

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wire about that story that ran

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everywhere well I know a fake magazine

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published an article by I think it was

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Ivan T Sanderson about the flatwoods

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monster and then a great Barker that was

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the if I can remember correctly the the

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first a chapter or two in is a book on

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the men in black they knew too much

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about flying saucers so the case got to

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be fairly well established and I guess

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there were some people who thought that

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the the group had some experience and

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others just like you would define their

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today in in a close encounter I thought

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that the whole thing was was pretty much

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nonsense but it's now you you heard the

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two the two boys who were now grown tell

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their story does it differ any from what

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they told when they were young no not

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really it defers rather drastically from

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what the story has become today you know

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like like most of these stories at some

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point they pass over into legend and and

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and from legend they almost become this

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sort of folk tale and get trumped up

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even more and that's what we're finding

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with this story is that a lot of the

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details that people have have recounted

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over the years don't seem to have any

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basis in fact for instance the the

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dog that was with them that night

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supposedly inhaled this mist and fell

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dead that never happened the dog was

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with them that night but the dog lived

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in another 12 years after that incident

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took place so that the dog was was fine

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following the incident and in fact they

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don't even recall anyone inhaling any of

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the mist and getting ill which is

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commonly cited as a part of that story

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is that one of the the boys got horrific

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ly ill and and vomited and stuff like

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that after the they inhaled the the mist

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but they that all seems to be kind of

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made-up or just kind of dramatized over

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the years no I I had heard that it was

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the dog that got sick afterwards they

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you know he didn't pass away but he you

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know like puke his guts out afterwards

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yeah I guess it's a old yellow turned

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yellow yeah yeah that's right

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ya know they they they said the dog was

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was fine they all ran back down the hill

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and and no one was ill what's what's

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fascinating to me is the interview we

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have an audio taped or an audio

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interview with Ivan Sanderson that was

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actually taken not long after he had

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gone and investigated the case and he

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talks about some of these aspects of the

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story that I haven't heard really talked

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about elsewhere and like you know after

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the the fireball was seen streaking

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across the sky it was seen landing on

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top of the hill that's why they went up

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to that hilltop and when they got up

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there they did see an object in the

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field you know like a UFO but whatever

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happened to the UFO after they came

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running down off the hill you know I

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haven't seen that part of the story

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talked about in many places but Ivan

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talks about a neighbor that actually

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lived near there seeing the ship

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actually take off again so or actually

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what happened is the he actually

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recounted seeing the creature get in the

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ship and then the ship just kind of

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blink out which i think is kind of a

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fascinating aspect of the story and I

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remember hearing that that evening that

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there were multiple UFO sightings not

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only in that area but I guess other

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places

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like that I mean have you have you

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looked into that aspect of the Sharia

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yeah yeah supposedly there were I think

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six or seven other objects seen around

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that same time in the skies and and you

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know for there they're commonly

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connected one to another obviously

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because they were all seen up and down

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the eastern seaboard that night I

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haven't done a lot of digging into that

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aspect of the story because our films

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going to focus mostly on on what took

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place directly in flatwoods

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around that time what I did manage to

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turn up that that's kind of a cool

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aspect of our film is the work of an

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author who went by the pen name of Paul

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Sagan and Paul wrote a book called alien

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flatwoods monster that was published

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after his death in 2008 8:00 and Paul

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was doing research into the flatwoods

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monster before anyone was even really

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other than guys like Greg Barker and

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Ivan Sanderson he was doing research

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into this in that interim period where

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it had kind of been forgotten about and

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where it kind of came back into the

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public eye and the work that he did

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really fascinating because he

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interviewed the airforce Colonel or

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captain that actually investigated the

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crash site that night I believe his last

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name was Dunleavy something something

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like that you know recall right now but

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I like to try to point people toward

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that book because it exists and

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apparently a lot of people don't know

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about it the first two or three chapters

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are entirely about the flatwoods monster

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and and kind of based off the research

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that paul had done into the case and

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paul the reason paul got involved in the

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case to begin with was he was actually

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driving through flatwoods

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the night that all of this took place

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with his family and in fact their car

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broke down right at the base of the hill

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where the creature was later seen the

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monster was later seen and and he can

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recall he recalls it in in the book

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actually smelling very unusual

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where they were parked at the base of

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the hill that night so and and I don't

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know if you guys are aware of his work

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but I like to try to point people toward

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his book because it seems like people

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are not aware of the work that Paul had

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done well along those lines had there

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been any previous activity in that area

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and not only you know UFOs but you know

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other kinds of paranormal stuff ghosts

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Bigfoot what-have-you

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maybe you know maybe a history going

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back as long as there's been people

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living in that area so yeah and that's

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one of the things that connects this

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film to are the other two that came

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before it the flatwoods film is the

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final film in the appellation monster

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trilogy which started with moss manor

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Point Pleasant went to invasion on

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Chestnut Ridge and we'll end with flat

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woods and like in the case of invasion

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on Chestnut Ridge which comes out next

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week you kind of find out that there was

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this long history of unusual happenings

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in the area around flatwoods we

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interviewed a witness or not a witness

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but the granddaughter of a lady who

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actually claims to have seen the

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flatwoods monster two weeks prior to the

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September now I want to say it's

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September 12th incident that everyone

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knows about and she went on to tell us

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about some of the history of paranormal

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and unusual things happening in the

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hills especially around the town of

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flatwoods and and there is a long

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history of particularly UFO sightings

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during the the 50s 60s and 70s it was so

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common in that area that a lot of the

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people the farmers and stuff just didn't

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even acknowledge it after a certain

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point because it happened so commonly

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and she told us some stories about you

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know her her parents or her grandparents

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seeing this like teardrop shaped object

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falling in the sky and the one night

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they heard a strange sound behind their

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house and they went out and fired a shot

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in the air and a UFO rose four-line some

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trees and it does seem like there's a

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long history of bizarre

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happenings in that area and then we we

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also have the what became the flatwoods

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monster in the 60s and 70s which was not

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the flatwoods monster that we're talking

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about right now in the 60s and 70s there

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were sightings of a bigfoot-like

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creature around the area and for

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whatever reason they also added that

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name flatwoods monster to that creature

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so it's it's also kind of strange

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because there's two flatwoods monsters

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and one is big and hairy and the other

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one isn't look like tall and metallic

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now this you know you mentioned this

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horrendous odor this odor is often

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associated with UFOs and the cult

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phenomena sure and and and even with

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Bigfoot sightings as well with with like

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in the case of the Minerva monster which

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was our one of our first films there's

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the they were constantly talking about

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the sulfur of like smell that seems to

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be similar to what people smelled in

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connection with the flatwoods monster

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case although the newspapers said it was

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a monster that had terrible Bo hmmm well

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well we can take care of that next time

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around anyway I guess we're coming up

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here on a break tamanna in a minute or

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so and then when we come back you will

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formally introduce Peter Bernard oh and

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it would you know be my great pleasure

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to do that oh yeah because we somehow we

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got cut off by the evil emperor the

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bigfoot of the internet i guess so

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and i believe i can hear the the ad

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coming in in the background which I

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always get cut off by anyway so this

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time I will let it take over the air

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee and ting Swartz welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar and Tim Schwartz

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and Tim Beckley I think that now we

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ought to give our second guest a proper

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introduction and what this is

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however good friend Peter Barnard now

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Peter is the author of a new book of

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spooky campfire tales based on his scary

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stories New York City channel and

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YouTube well now back in the 90s when

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Peter was developing animation ideas for

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television Mothman Prophecies writer

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John keel would force Peter to watch TV

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magic shows with him so that keel could

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explain how the tricks were done and

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then badmouth the magician's that sounds

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like a few years later Peter was the

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first to put any polar on TV and helped

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her comedy troupe and execute media

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pranks then when YouTube began Peter got

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a million views and a mention on CNN for

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a UFO vide video that was actually a

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blimp this got Peter noticed by his

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friends by the Friends of Andy Kaufman

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and led to his interviewing fictional

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character Tony Clifton well now I should

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also mention that Peter is the

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creator of the American girls those

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I'm hyperventilating and and peter is

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also responsible for the absolutely

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fantabulous videos that he puts together

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for the exploring the bizarre show that

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we put up on the mr. UFO FILES channel

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and peter is a secret secret files not

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just regular files they're secret secret

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files well if they were that secret then

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people couldn't find them well people

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like to find things that are secret well

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Peter great to have you with us tonight

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it's just real pleasure I mean I know

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that a lot of people who watch your

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videos of our shows and then your scary

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story videos are really would love to

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hear you talk and to describe just you

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know how you managed to do the fantastic

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work that you do

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wow thank you I I don't I don't I don't

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think of it that way I just I think of

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how it has to get done and there's a

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deadline and then it's done you know so

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I'm not I don't know I just it's fun to

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do I like I just I end up spending more

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time on it than I'm supposed to because

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I end up trying to put extra stuff in

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just that fun because I'd like to watch

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these things you know the reason I

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started the scary story is just a little

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scary story first of all I'm honored to

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be on with Seth Breedlove because I'm

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just doing a little YouTube channel and

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00:26:10,510 --> 00:26:08,420
I don't really deserve to be on with

543
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:10,520
Seth Breedlove who's like doing very

544
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:14,290
legitimate work and I'm a big fan but I

545
00:26:19,570 --> 00:26:17,450
started doing it because I was listening

546
00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:19,580
to a lot of scary stories channels when

547
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,350
I was going to sleep at night and I was

548
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,120
thinking of what else can I do for money

549
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:25,520
just to support my cartoon band because

550
00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:27,290
I have a band that's like the Archies

551
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:28,520
mixed with the Monkees I have these

552
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:30,050
live-action girls who play these cartoon

553
00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:32,090
characters and I needed funding for it

554
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,920
so I was like every night I was

555
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:35,120
listening to scary stories of such I

556
00:26:37,690 --> 00:26:36,530
should start writing scary stories like

557
00:26:39,790 --> 00:26:37,700
most of the channels they pick up

558
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:39,800
stories off reddit and they just read

559
00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:41,570
them I was like I want to do this but I

560
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:43,160
want to write them like I want to write

561
00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:45,110
real stories but originally the title

562
00:26:49,299 --> 00:26:47,240
was going to be real fake tales but

563
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:49,309
I figured I might actually want to have

564
00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:51,410
some stuff that's real real sometimes

565
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,520
you know I might want to do something

566
00:26:55,930 --> 00:26:54,320
about John keel or I might want to do

567
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:55,940
you know whatever like we have a nick

568
00:27:01,240 --> 00:26:58,460
red for an interview on there now and so

569
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:01,250
I decided to just call it scary stories

570
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:03,410
as a generic thing and it's it features

571
00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:05,030
my fiction and it also sometimes

572
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:07,640
features real monster stuff you know

573
00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:09,290
also and sometimes it's like sometimes

574
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:12,500
in fact I I believe I narrated one of

575
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:16,250
the oh yeah we started we started with a

576
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:19,070
bunch of your stuff yeah we had I don't

577
00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:20,690
even remember doing that I must have

578
00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:29,750
been alcohol bencher it sounds like yeah

579
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:32,270
I'd love for you to do more but I'd love

580
00:27:35,890 --> 00:27:33,650
for you to read from your own books you

581
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:35,900
know that that's that's that's the cool

582
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,100
stuff you know the stuff that you've

583
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:39,520
actually written scary stories from

584
00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:41,690
various of your books cuz I've been

585
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:43,160
reading your books obviously since

586
00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:46,970
before ye well you know we we met at the

587
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,990
14 the society meetings actually right

588
00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:53,120
next to where I am here on the 30th

589
00:27:57,370 --> 00:27:55,880
Street tonight there was a building

590
00:28:00,010 --> 00:27:57,380
there was a building which has been

591
00:28:02,530 --> 00:28:00,020
demolished and it's still a vacant lot

592
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,540
and if you climb the creaky stairs to

593
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:04,640
the second floor there was a rather

594
00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:08,720
dusty dismal meeting a room and I

595
00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:10,520
haven't forbid if anybody chose slides

596
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:12,230
during the lecture because we had all

597
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:15,050
these poles inter interfering with the

598
00:28:22,419 --> 00:28:19,190
view but that's common and when you rent

599
00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:22,429
a inexpensive room to find the poles in

600
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:24,950
the in the way but there were some

601
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:26,570
interesting lectures with Liev Schreiber

602
00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:30,559
was there he gave a talk and it was you

603
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:33,590
know John kept it kept it going for a

604
00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:37,070
couple of years and then after the

605
00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:39,830
meetings we would walk on over down the

606
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:43,100
street to miss Kay's yeah which is long

607
00:28:49,299 --> 00:28:48,080
and have a meatball sandwich in fact

608
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:49,309
here I don't know if you know I don't

609
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:51,050
know if you know it or not this case is

610
00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:53,809
no longer there I do know that yeah

611
00:29:00,600 --> 00:28:56,179
where before it disappeared I went and

612
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,310
left over from one of the meetings like

613
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:07,600
that I took 3d pictures of the interior

614
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:09,730
and the exterior for my purposes so I

615
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:11,650
could you know remember forever and look

616
00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:13,330
at it in 3d when I crossed my eyes and

617
00:29:21,390 --> 00:29:16,780
stare at these pictures yeah just

618
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,400
started remodeling the place I can't

619
00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:23,679
tell exactly what it's going to be

620
00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:25,960
somebody said a Korean restaurant I

621
00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:27,280
don't think we need another one of those

622
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:29,020
in the neighborhood and then somebody

623
00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:30,610
else saying it's going to be a Korean

624
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:32,980
deli which we have plenty of but I go

625
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,929
for the Korean deli because they don't

626
00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:36,880
have to walk to a two-for you know I

627
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,040
mean this place was open 24 hours you

628
00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:41,520
could get you could get a sandwich

629
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,440
delivered to your door you know I don't

630
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,200
know in a lot of towns if you can do

631
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,880
that Tim can you get a sandwich

632
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:51,250
delivered to your door at 2:00 a.m. no

633
00:30:00,090 --> 00:29:58,330
definitely not yeah you're like if you

634
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,100
get a sandwich to delivered to your door

635
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:02,640
you know just regular business hours

636
00:30:10,169 --> 00:30:06,669
well Peter what what was the the first

637
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:10,179
story that you decided to do to write

638
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:13,840
and to do oh jeez I don't know

639
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,770
how many have you done to date I don't

640
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:19,840
know I'm working on the second bookish

641
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:21,130
I'm hoping to have it out by Christmas

642
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:26,500
but I don't know I just wanted I just I

643
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:28,750
read stuff like Stan Gordon kind of

644
00:30:33,650 --> 00:30:30,250
stuff which is why I love the chest

645
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:33,660
Ridge film that says read loved it I

646
00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:36,490
read stuff like that and I try and write

647
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,160
things like that like I try and put

648
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,440
something weird in them and the weird

649
00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:43,600
thing is that I didn't expect this to

650
00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:45,580
happen but people will write to me and

651
00:30:49,049 --> 00:30:47,140
say I know that that story's true

652
00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:49,059
because you included this detail but

653
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:50,590
there's a detail that I plagiarized from

654
00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:51,850
someone else his story

655
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:55,270
I think it's real and I don't understand

656
00:30:59,880 --> 00:30:57,730
world it's funny because I've known I

657
00:31:01,980 --> 00:30:59,890
mean look we were friends with John Keo

658
00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:01,990
and I got to meet Antonio genious and

659
00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:03,700
all these guys there but at the same

660
00:31:09,419 --> 00:31:07,540
time I look I would connected with Keo

661
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:09,429
like he was interested in my cartoons at

662
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:10,630
that point I was developing stuff with

663
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:12,610
like a Nickelodeon and so and jumbo

664
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:13,809
pictures and stuff like that and he was

665
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,440
interested

666
00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:16,960
that angle of knowing me and so I would

667
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:18,700
always want to talk about UFOs with him

668
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:20,769
and he would always turn it around he

669
00:31:23,639 --> 00:31:22,330
would say you know you want to talk

670
00:31:26,369 --> 00:31:23,649
about UFOs but you know I was on the

671
00:31:27,659 --> 00:31:26,379
Johnny Carson show and so I said well

672
00:31:28,769 --> 00:31:27,669
what did you talk about on the Johnny

673
00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:28,779
Carson show he said well that doesn't

674
00:31:33,539 --> 00:31:31,240
matter anyway because he talked about

675
00:31:35,009 --> 00:31:33,549
UFOs you know so like like he wanted me

676
00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:35,019
to know that there was a lot more to him

677
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:36,460
than just UFOs oh yeah

678
00:31:41,369 --> 00:31:38,710
so if an artist as well as a journalist

679
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:41,379
I mean yes but you know so he ended a

680
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:43,929
great sense of humor and that was kind

681
00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:46,740
of where how I connected with you also

682
00:31:55,259 --> 00:31:50,230
like well I think people took his sense

683
00:31:57,899 --> 00:31:55,269
of humor the the wrong way he I think he

684
00:31:59,730 --> 00:31:57,909
got his sense of humor from charles fort

685
00:32:02,279 --> 00:31:59,740
you know charles fort was always being

686
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:02,289
sort of a hypocritical about what he

687
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:03,610
wrote about i mean you never know

688
00:32:09,659 --> 00:32:05,049
whether he was doing a tongue-in-cheek

689
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:09,669
or you know whether he was really trying

690
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:13,210
to present it as a is a legitimate story

691
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:15,730
and of course he did have the newspaper

692
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:19,590
clippings to to back up all this

693
00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:22,120
material in fact we were just talking

694
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:23,409
the other day at tim oh is it on our

695
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:26,950
last show about the charles fort

696
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:28,450
collection at the new york public

697
00:32:34,379 --> 00:32:31,570
library right of course i wanted to get

698
00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:34,389
maybe get my collection when i go on to

699
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:37,240
higher realms you know put up somewhere

700
00:32:42,749 --> 00:32:39,460
where the public can go through all my

701
00:32:43,889 --> 00:32:42,759
files and and pick out the reports and

702
00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:43,899
stuff like that

703
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:46,360
but as i understand it from our friends

704
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:49,240
at skyler the charles fort collection he

705
00:32:58,499 --> 00:32:53,710
wrote everything on three by five file

706
00:33:00,690 --> 00:32:58,509
cards in pencil and so yeah i don't know

707
00:33:05,009 --> 00:33:00,700
how anybody could even sit there and try

708
00:33:07,019 --> 00:33:05,019
to to you know make a reference to all

709
00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:07,029
that now i'm not sure whether the

710
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,950
collection is still there because they

711
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:10,960
have moved a lot of things to some

712
00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:14,110
underground vault in new jersey i mean

713
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,230
you can imagine how many files and

714
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:20,080
collection and you know the Dewey

715
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:21,970
Decimal System really gets a work out

716
00:33:27,070 --> 00:33:22,910
there

717
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:27,080
and yeah I just I just hope that if they

718
00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:29,240
do move stuff like that you know like

719
00:33:34,270 --> 00:33:31,520
the underground vaults they at least go

720
00:33:36,970 --> 00:33:34,280
and digitize them or microfiche room or

721
00:33:39,370 --> 00:33:36,980
something I just I just hate for

722
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:39,380
material like that just to disappear and

723
00:33:45,570 --> 00:33:42,020
nobody ever gets a chance to see it yeah

724
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:45,580
well you know a UFO in Bigfoot

725
00:33:54,190 --> 00:33:49,840
collections they're kind of I guess

726
00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:54,200
treated with ill contempt by families

727
00:33:59,920 --> 00:33:56,140
associated with people that have been

728
00:34:02,050 --> 00:33:59,930
involved in the collection of these

729
00:34:04,570 --> 00:34:02,060
different accounts and things like that

730
00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:04,580
we get there no respect they get no

731
00:34:11,740 --> 00:34:09,560
respect oh yeah so a Peter now you've

732
00:34:15,250 --> 00:34:11,750
got this a book which I actually wrote

733
00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:15,260
the introduction what what are some of

734
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:19,550
the stories that are in there well the

735
00:34:23,889 --> 00:34:22,610
title is I think Bigfoot attacked my

736
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:23,899
tiny house I think

737
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:28,129
yeah what is a tiny house telling us my

738
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:29,929
roommate watches or she used to watch

739
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:31,310
these shows it was trendy when I wrote

740
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:34,310
it there were a lot of TV shows about it

741
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,770
tiny houses people build these little

742
00:34:41,110 --> 00:34:38,960
tiny houses and I've been told by a

743
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:41,120
number of people that I over priced like

744
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:42,320
the guy's spent too much money on his

745
00:34:46,899 --> 00:34:43,310
tiny house because I went into the

746
00:34:48,190 --> 00:34:46,909
details about it and yeah they just

747
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:48,200
build these little tiny houses so that

748
00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:51,010
they can live cheaply and live free of

749
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:53,300
different burdens like some of them move

750
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:55,190
around they have like a trailer home

751
00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:56,810
kind of thing yeah and a lot of you can

752
00:35:00,970 --> 00:34:59,210
put it on the back you're a four by five

753
00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:00,980
or something yeah yeah and you can go

754
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:03,020
live different places but but some of

755
00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:05,180
them you know buy property and and it's

756
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:06,620
just that you have to buy less property

757
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:08,210
or you can have more land around in just

758
00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:10,850
a tiny little house and you have to you

759
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:12,740
know it's it's a trend I don't know if

760
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:14,510
it's gonna last for I mean I imagine

761
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:15,770
it'll last for ten or twenty years ago

762
00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:17,000
since people are buying houses and

763
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:18,830
moving in so they'll have to last for a

764
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,110
while it's so tight what does a tiny

765
00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:24,880
house cost well I had mine I had like

766
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:27,590
twice as much I think you can do it for

767
00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:29,630
wait let me ask my roommate hey Maria

768
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:31,190
how much would a tiny house cost

769
00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:38,680
she's asking me details she wants no

770
00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:42,200
details how much about 30,000 yeah it

771
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:44,750
depends if that's not that's not exactly

772
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:47,030
a tiny price you could buy a trailer for

773
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:51,350
that yeah exactly but it's you know what

774
00:35:54,430 --> 00:35:52,610
you'd have to watch the show is the

775
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:54,440
people some people were into the house

776
00:35:58,030 --> 00:35:56,630
he homey kind of stuff or really into

777
00:36:02,170 --> 00:35:58,040
this because it can be a nice little

778
00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:02,180
home oh what's going on now

779
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:04,430
oh yeah there's there's there's there's

780
00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:06,770
like an entire you know like series on I

781
00:36:12,070 --> 00:36:09,590
think what is an HGTV you know based on

782
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:12,080
people trying to buy or find the perfect

783
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:14,450
tiny home thank you yeah that that's

784
00:36:17,650 --> 00:36:16,070
that's where I got the idea from she was

785
00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:17,660
watching the shows and I was like I need

786
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:21,350
ideas for Bigfoot and oh I know Bigfoot

787
00:36:27,130 --> 00:36:24,260
attack my tiny home so you have didn't

788
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:27,140
you have a big Bigfoot rip up Donald

789
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:31,070
Trump lawn sign oh yeah yeah yeah

790
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,290
Bigfoot stole my Donald Trump lon yeah

791
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:35,119
that one didn't go over well YouTube

792
00:36:43,150 --> 00:36:40,910
block that from ads they have all this

793
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:43,160
other junky stuff on there that's a fake

794
00:36:49,420 --> 00:36:46,609
news but you can't put a joke on yeah

795
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,430
yeah but you know it's I don't really

796
00:36:52,570 --> 00:36:51,200
know how it works I'm a newer chap we've

797
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:52,580
only been around a year and it seems

798
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:56,090
like then you were you are the more they

799
00:37:00,340 --> 00:36:58,490
scrutinize you and so a lot of people

800
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:00,350
who've been around for a while can they

801
00:37:05,050 --> 00:37:02,690
can have body parts being cut up and

802
00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:05,060
yeah yeah lips off and stuff and they

803
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:06,950
can curse through the whole video and I

804
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,290
can't get away with anything so you know

805
00:37:18,099 --> 00:37:12,800
we do we do have our barely legal

806
00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:18,109
lesbian vampires mr krepo site the other

807
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:21,400
said the others have been taken down but

808
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:24,050
that one is still that one is still

809
00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:27,080
there and that has a nudity in all and I

810
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:31,070
mean nothing really offensive but that

811
00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:32,450
one they still led up there and the

812
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:35,480
other ones I've had a terrible problem

813
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:37,010
with the distribution on some of those

814
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:42,910
and just almost say a bigfoot-type

815
00:37:50,530 --> 00:37:46,609
nightmare now you've also written and

816
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:50,540
produced stuff on dog man

817
00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:52,310
Dogman seems to be really popular right

818
00:37:57,610 --> 00:37:55,940
now in fact the the reason I put that

819
00:38:00,370 --> 00:37:57,620
Nicorette for an interview up which is a

820
00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:00,380
little I did a while back with my

821
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:02,390
cartoon characters but I did the I put

822
00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:04,490
the raw version up because he's talking

823
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:05,990
about dog man in there I was listening

824
00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:07,250
to taste Wow he's talking about dog man

825
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:08,150
let me just put this up because

826
00:38:13,660 --> 00:38:10,370
everyone's so crazy about dog man and

827
00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:13,670
it's hard to find real dog man stories

828
00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:15,140
you know it in the inside make up a lot

829
00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:17,150
of them but I'm trying to I try to find

830
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:21,020
a kernel of truth in this I try and find

831
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:22,640
like other people's stories that I can

832
00:38:26,830 --> 00:38:24,830
work on and sometimes people tell me

833
00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:26,840
stuff that supposedly happens to them

834
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:29,390
and I adapt it so but it's it's hard to

835
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:30,800
find one that you're not just totally

836
00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:32,810
making up or you know basing on other

837
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:35,120
stories that you've heard of I you know

838
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,650
whenever possible because the people who

839
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:38,240
loved a dog man really want it to be

840
00:38:41,470 --> 00:38:39,890
real they want to hear real stories and

841
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:41,480
there's there's only so much out there

842
00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:43,010
but there's much more of an audience for

843
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:44,420
real dog men stories then there are

844
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:46,370
actually real daughters I know we've

845
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:48,130
done a couple of shows here and

846
00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:50,810
exploring the bizarre and they've had a

847
00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:54,440
tremendous amount of views and and audio

848
00:38:59,530 --> 00:38:57,110
downloads the seven eight to ten

849
00:39:02,920 --> 00:38:59,540
thousand I mean more than a lot of

850
00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:02,930
episodes have gotten and I was kind of

851
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:06,020
shocked by and by that in the be well

852
00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:07,490
I'm not shocked by too much of anything

853
00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:09,380
to be honest with you but it's

854
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:11,180
especially in the line of social media

855
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:14,770
but I was I was kind of shocked at that

856
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:17,990
the dog man that would be of such an

857
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:20,990
interest I mean it is kind of a a fringe

858
00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:23,390
a crypto a dead creature I mean we have

859
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:26,630
a lot of cryptids that have been you

860
00:39:32,530 --> 00:39:31,010
know seen over the years but this seems

861
00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:32,540
to haven't what kind of what popped up

862
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:34,460
out of well of course we had the Hound

863
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:35,930
Alaska Bill the Hound of the

864
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:37,730
Baskervilles yeah hunter the

865
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:41,930
Baskervilles book but no the dog man has

866
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:45,200
in Michigan the dog man started this

867
00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:47,170
what is this noise I keep hearing these

868
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:49,700
my skype is freaking out I don't know if

869
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:51,530
you're hearing it no but we can't we

870
00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:54,770
can't hear it okay I'm getting loud

871
00:39:59,800 --> 00:39:57,260
musics really don't know what's going on

872
00:40:01,900 --> 00:39:59,810
but anyway I'll try and in fact the

873
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:01,910
Michigan Dogman was good it's back to

874
00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:03,890
the 80s I think and then in the 90s

875
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:04,460
there were

876
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:10,130
um the beast of Bray Road so oh yes it's

877
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:12,650
been around for a while I'm hearing

878
00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:20,950
since it's not it's dog man yeah he's

879
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:23,990
playing playing a flute there's a plane

880
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:25,910
plane spook playing spooky music

881
00:40:31,450 --> 00:40:29,599
yeah could could be other times yeah

882
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,460
could be it could be other tabs open on

883
00:40:35,020 --> 00:40:33,440
your own that's explain Skyped you again

884
00:40:41,290 --> 00:40:35,030
can you hear can you guys hear me now oh

885
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,300
yeah we yeah yeah we can there's some

886
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:43,040
kind of easy listening elevator music

887
00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:47,720
was masking yeah yes dope man isn't a

888
00:40:52,839 --> 00:40:49,550
new thing but it's more and more popular

889
00:40:56,829 --> 00:40:52,849
every every year well you know people

890
00:40:58,839 --> 00:40:56,839
are calling it dog man but you know ten

891
00:41:00,880 --> 00:40:58,849
years ago or so people would have been

892
00:41:03,010 --> 00:41:00,890
saying oh it was the werewolf werewolf

893
00:41:05,950 --> 00:41:03,020
yeah

894
00:41:09,070 --> 00:41:05,960
and but well Michigan dog man is a term

895
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:09,080
that goes back to the 80s when that

896
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:12,470
radio DJ in Michigan did a song called

897
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:15,170
the legend I think so yeah

898
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:18,470
that was based on that was at that viral

899
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:21,530
video that supposedly showed well no the

900
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,630
gable film came years later was actually

901
00:41:27,579 --> 00:41:25,280
good did that come later okay

902
00:41:30,070 --> 00:41:27,589
yeah yeah I forget what year but as a

903
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:30,080
gable film came later it was made to

904
00:41:36,190 --> 00:41:32,500
look like it was shot in the 70s right

905
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:36,200
it will Tim you did you did a a chapter

906
00:41:41,950 --> 00:41:39,650
for one of our books on the legends of a

907
00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:41,960
crypto a type of creatures that was

908
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:46,520
similar to a dog man oh yeah well I mean

909
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:49,369
you know there's as Peter has pointed

910
00:41:56,859 --> 00:41:53,410
out I video there's been a history of

911
00:42:00,130 --> 00:41:56,869
you know dog man wolf man what have you

912
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,140
I mean for four centuries you know down

913
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:02,480
here where I live in southern Indiana

914
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:05,690
day the town of Vincennes which was

915
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:08,720
settled by the French you know back in

916
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:11,930
the early 1600s before this was even

917
00:42:17,050 --> 00:42:14,930
part of the United States this area and

918
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:17,060
they brought with them their legends of

919
00:42:29,090 --> 00:42:17,640
the

920
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:29,100
werewolf or you know Peter pointed out

921
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:30,990
now they would call them dog man but you

922
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:33,660
know and and don't forget the loup-garou

923
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:36,510
can be any kind of animal there's even

924
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:40,380
stories of like a where cow so really

925
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:49,200
yes look like it's a walking cow it's

926
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:51,810
it's well it's it's a it's a man that

927
00:42:57,830 --> 00:42:54,780
has turned you know into a cow and and

928
00:43:00,200 --> 00:42:57,840
usually because well it's and it you

929
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,210
know it's based on Catholic tradition as

930
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:02,460
well you know if these people you know

931
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:04,170
like don't go to church for a certain

932
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:05,880
amount of time they become her cursed

933
00:43:10,610 --> 00:43:08,670
and can turn into you know like a cursed

934
00:43:13,570 --> 00:43:10,620
animal of some kind usually it's like a

935
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:13,580
canid of some kind but it can be

936
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:15,930
practically any kind of any kind of

937
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:24,090
creature the shapeshifters exactly the

938
00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:27,150
loup-garou also people call it the

939
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:29,550
rougarou which is just a you know a

940
00:43:34,850 --> 00:43:32,130
bastardization of loup-garou but that

941
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,860
there you if you look up ro ug aro you

942
00:43:39,590 --> 00:43:37,200
there are videos on YouTube about that

943
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:39,600
also it's like down in New Orleans in

944
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:44,040
that area as a French oh yeah well and

945
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:45,690
that's you know again that's you know

946
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:48,300
like around around Vincennes there's

947
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:51,060
that that's very heavily you know heavy

948
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:53,670
French tradition when it comes to that

949
00:44:01,850 --> 00:43:57,900
so yeah I've find the dog man stories

950
00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:01,860
really interesting i I've often wondered

951
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:05,790
and Peter I know that I think you've

952
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:09,770
talked about this have there been

953
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:12,330
situations where people have seen you

954
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:13,710
know what they would describe then as a

955
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:17,760
Bigfoot but they'll say that it has you

956
00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:21,330
know like a it look more canid than a

957
00:44:26,810 --> 00:44:24,060
Bigfoot though even they'd call it a

958
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:26,820
Bigfoot yeah right that's true a lot of

959
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:28,260
times if I'm listening to shows and

960
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:29,310
people are talking about their Bigfoot

961
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:30,690
encounters they'll talk about it having

962
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:31,290
dog

963
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:32,610
you know but they're thinking it's a

964
00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:34,530
Bigfoot they're very similar except that

965
00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:37,620
usually if people notice the legs of the

966
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:39,270
dog men they usually look more like dog

967
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:42,570
legs or you know horse legs or deer legs

968
00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:44,610
in the back where they're bent backwards

969
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:47,190
or you know also goat man is another one

970
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:48,660
where they have the backward bent legs

971
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:52,050
except those ends in hooves and the wolf

972
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:53,940
creatures and dog creatures they end in

973
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:57,390
more like large dog feet but there's a

974
00:45:01,610 --> 00:44:59,700
the dog man is usually actually a shaggy

975
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:01,620
kind of thing and there's all these

976
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:02,640
different names and people talk about

977
00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:04,140
the different things but there are once

978
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:05,430
it looked like wolves with the pointy

979
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,690
ears and there are other ones that look

980
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,160
more like shaggy dogs with the hair

981
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:10,380
hanging in their eyes which I you know

982
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:12,390
friend hard to imagine that being scary

983
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:14,490
but I guess if it's tall enough it's got

984
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:15,930
big enough teeth and it's growling it

985
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:18,210
yeah I guess I would run also but you

986
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:19,650
know it's it sounds kind of funny it

987
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:21,420
looks like the shaggy d.a that's what I

988
00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:22,830
was picture when I hear these stories

989
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:24,360
and I just kind of chuckle but I know I

990
00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:25,530
wouldn't chuckle if I were there and I

991
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:26,070
saw it

992
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:30,300
know well and Peter do you think that

993
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:31,800
they're physical creatures or could they

994
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:36,780
be paranormal well I just I'm only

995
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:38,460
interested from this point of view or

996
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:40,290
stories because I stay as far away from

997
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:42,450
the forest as I can like I live in New

998
00:45:46,070 --> 00:45:44,250
York City and that's why I like that's

999
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:46,080
kind of why I like monsters like Bigfoot

1000
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:47,970
and and dog man because you're not going

1001
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:49,710
to see them in Manhattan so I can talk

1002
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:51,180
about them and I can kind of feel safe

1003
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,610
and distance from that Staten Island is

1004
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:55,800
the closest one that I know of I believe

1005
00:46:03,430 --> 00:45:58,610
we're walking across a golf course

1006
00:46:05,570 --> 00:46:03,440
really yeah how many years ago yeah yeah

1007
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:05,580
that's not far from New Jersey you're

1008
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:06,540
right it could have slowed me

1009
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:08,730
interaction you know well I what are

1010
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:12,090
they swim across right unless unless

1011
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:14,220
they are like werewolves they're just

1012
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,590
humans who work at the golf course and

1013
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:18,480
then change into wolves sometimes like I

1014
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,800
don't know because there are American

1015
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:21,780
Indian the shape-shifter myths in the

1016
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:23,010
American Indian there are some

1017
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,020
interesting stories they're like I'm a I

1018
00:46:30,580 --> 00:46:26,880
remember where I heard it from but it's

1019
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:30,590
somebody there's they were talking about

1020
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:33,960
it about hold on hold on to that thought

1021
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:36,690
Peter because we are happen to our top

1022
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:38,460
of the hour break here so when we come

1023
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:40,380
back we will continue our conversation

1024
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:42,510
with assess reel of

1025
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:45,780
and Peter Bernard on exploring the

1026
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:57,720
[Music]

1027
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:02,010
explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

1028
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:04,680
ride into the world of the paranormal

1029
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:07,990
strap yourself in as we traverse the

1030
00:47:15,380 --> 00:47:12,270
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1031
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:15,390
ghosts Lost Worlds

1032
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:17,770
cryptozoology as well as other

1033
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:21,640
dimensions it's time to take back the

1034
00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:26,770
night now your electrifying hosts of

1035
00:47:37,290 --> 00:47:29,860
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

1036
00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:37,300
team sports we have with us tonight

1037
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:39,940
Peter Bernard and Seth Breedlove and

1038
00:47:46,620 --> 00:47:42,940
Seth I wanted to talk to you a little

1039
00:47:48,810 --> 00:47:46,630
bit about your new film that's going to

1040
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:48,820
be coming out on October 20th is that

1041
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,730
correct the invasion on Chestnut Ridge

1042
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:54,160
yeah that hits next Friday night or

1043
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:55,930
Friday I guess Thursday night around

1044
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:00,480
midnight it will be up now and so what

1045
00:48:09,570 --> 00:48:04,210
what's this movie about I see that you

1046
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:09,580
you feature like Stan Gordon and the the

1047
00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:12,370
the whole of Pennsylvania especially

1048
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,660
western Pennsylvania

1049
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:16,000
you know UFOs and monsters I probably

1050
00:48:23,130 --> 00:48:20,590
just want described it right there it's

1051
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:23,140
kind of like a it's kind of like a I

1052
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:27,490
guess a buffet of weirdness it starts

1053
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:31,510
with the Kecksburg UFO crash and moves

1054
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:36,250
on to the Uniontown Fayette County UFO

1055
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:39,490
big foot wave of the 1970s and it moves

1056
00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:43,920
into dog man stories and and orbs and

1057
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:46,870
yeah it's kind of it kind of takes you

1058
00:48:52,830 --> 00:48:49,660
through this litany of really bizarre

1059
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:52,840
activity that's taking place along the

1060
00:48:59,300 --> 00:48:56,050
Chestnut Ridge for over a century and

1061
00:49:04,530 --> 00:48:59,310
the Chestnut Ridge is this 72 mile

1062
00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:04,540
mountain range in southwestern PA and

1063
00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:06,820
it's different from our movies and the

1064
00:49:11,579 --> 00:49:08,680
fact that instead of focusing on one

1065
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:11,589
specific monster case it kind of focus

1066
00:49:17,309 --> 00:49:15,369
on on the ridge itself and it's I think

1067
00:49:22,829 --> 00:49:17,319
stylistically it's heavily influenced by

1068
00:49:24,959 --> 00:49:22,839
like 1970s and and 80's television Doc's

1069
00:49:28,529 --> 00:49:24,969
like unsolved mysteries and in search of

1070
00:49:31,529 --> 00:49:28,539
so it kind of draws from this well of of

1071
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:31,539
really cool you know things that we

1072
00:49:37,769 --> 00:49:33,430
think we all if you're into this stuff

1073
00:49:41,609 --> 00:49:37,779
you probably love so now what what made

1074
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:41,619
you decide to to tackle this because I

1075
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:44,680
mean as typically and I am well known I

1076
00:49:51,029 --> 00:49:47,950
mean there is just so much stuff going

1077
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:51,039
on in that area you know it's it's I

1078
00:49:57,509 --> 00:49:53,650
think it would just be impossible to try

1079
00:49:59,489 --> 00:49:57,519
to pick out you know a few stories out

1080
00:50:01,259 --> 00:49:59,499
of so many it's just like oh my gosh how

1081
00:50:05,539 --> 00:50:01,269
am I gonna do all this so I mean what

1082
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:05,549
what made you decide to tackle this

1083
00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:08,049
honestly more than anything is the fact

1084
00:50:12,450 --> 00:50:09,940
that I wanted to work with my buddy mark

1085
00:50:14,969 --> 00:50:12,460
Matt's key who actually wrote the movie

1086
00:50:17,249 --> 00:50:14,979
and did the narration and Mark and I

1087
00:50:19,259 --> 00:50:17,259
have been friends for a while and Mark

1088
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:19,269
has has worked with us on a couple of

1089
00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:20,950
the other movies but we never got to do

1090
00:50:28,170 --> 00:50:24,119
anything collaboratively so he is a huge

1091
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,180
Stan Gordon acolyte and a big sting

1092
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:30,400
Gordon fan and he's more aware of his

1093
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:32,650
work than probably anyone I know I mean

1094
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:35,130
he's he's got like a trivia like

1095
00:50:40,109 --> 00:50:38,049
knowledge of all that stuff so I wanted

1096
00:50:43,019 --> 00:50:40,119
to work with him on this and kind of let

1097
00:50:44,759 --> 00:50:43,029
him go crazy with the writing of it as

1098
00:50:46,859 --> 00:50:44,769
far as like how we got to the point

1099
00:50:50,819 --> 00:50:46,869
where the film became what it is today

1100
00:50:53,219 --> 00:50:50,829
it was it started life as basically a

1101
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:53,229
cat's burg movie originally it was just

1102
00:50:58,349 --> 00:50:56,559
gonna be a Kecksburg UFO crash movie and

1103
00:51:01,769 --> 00:50:58,359
I think originally our plan was to make

1104
00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:01,779
it a little 40-minute short and the

1105
00:51:05,339 --> 00:51:03,430
reason was we had already done the

1106
00:51:08,999 --> 00:51:05,349
Mothman a Point Pleasant which we just

1107
00:51:10,799 --> 00:51:09,009
released in June and the idea of trying

1108
00:51:12,989 --> 00:51:10,809
to put out a second movie that was over

1109
00:51:16,769 --> 00:51:12,999
an hour anything like that seemed absurd

1110
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,779
to us but once we got into actually

1111
00:51:22,289 --> 00:51:18,640
scheduling out our interviews for this

1112
00:51:24,329 --> 00:51:22,299
movie what what became the game plan

1113
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:24,339
kind of started to take shape and

1114
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:25,390
instead of focusing

1115
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:27,790
just Kecksburg we use detect tax burgers

1116
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:30,730
kind of the the inciting incident fur

1117
00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:32,770
for all the weirdness along the ridge

1118
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:35,230
and and one of our subjects actually

1119
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:36,880
even says that the the Kecksburg

1120
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:38,980
incident more than anything seems like

1121
00:51:44,670 --> 00:51:42,370
the catalyst for people that live in

1122
00:51:47,850 --> 00:51:44,680
that area who have had weird experiences

1123
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:47,860
to start talking about them so but we

1124
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,690
you know through researching a movie we

1125
00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:52,000
did find out that there's been strange

1126
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:54,760
unexplained things happening along that

1127
00:51:59,760 --> 00:51:57,760
area for four decades but more and more

1128
00:52:02,070 --> 00:51:59,770
than anything it was it was wanting to

1129
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:02,080
work with mark and to do something this

1130
00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:06,010
big and sprawling was was really kind of

1131
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:08,380
exciting for me cuz the challenge became

1132
00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:12,790
how are we going to tell this story in a

1133
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:14,560
way that makes any sense to a viewer

1134
00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:15,970
because none of these stories are

1135
00:52:23,490 --> 00:52:19,630
necessarily connected to the next other

1136
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,500
than through where they took place well

1137
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:26,800
I I particularly enjoyed some of the

1138
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:30,370
animation that you used in in that film

1139
00:52:38,310 --> 00:52:33,910
especially when you were recounting the

1140
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:38,320
the event of the bigfoot-type creatures

1141
00:52:44,550 --> 00:52:42,250
walking along the fence line they the

1142
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:44,560
the animation that you used on that was

1143
00:52:50,070 --> 00:52:47,410
very nice just very well done Chris

1144
00:52:52,890 --> 00:52:50,080
Chris Scalf does the animated sequences

1145
00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:52,900
in our movies and he did three or four

1146
00:52:58,260 --> 00:52:55,720
of them in Mothman and he did a number

1147
00:53:01,290 --> 00:52:58,270
of them in this and he's he'll be on

1148
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:01,300
every project we do in 2018 as well so

1149
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:03,790
flatwoods and our champ movie and then

1150
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:06,190
our Bray Road movie he's he's doing

1151
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:07,810
animated sequences for all of those

1152
00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:09,970
we've been extremely blessed with like

1153
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:12,700
super talented artists and illustrators

1154
00:53:19,590 --> 00:53:16,030
wanting to be involved in the movies so

1155
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:19,600
Chris is just the the latest addition to

1156
00:53:23,490 --> 00:53:21,550
the team and a really important one he

1157
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:23,500
did he did a great job on that sequence

1158
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,770
I'm also a really big fan of the the dog

1159
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:28,960
man sequence he did which is actually

1160
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:30,910
kind of cool that dog man sequence was

1161
00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:34,180
originally created and animated years

1162
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:35,830
ago I guess and he actually just

1163
00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:38,770
reworked it for use in our movie and I

1164
00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:39,700
think I think it's

1165
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:42,760
comes across really cool and I really I

1166
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:44,650
really enjoyed the way he did that and I

1167
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:46,690
really liked the way he animated the

1168
00:53:51,780 --> 00:53:49,119
Thunderbird sequence to where it almost

1169
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:51,790
takes on this found-footage kind of look

1170
00:53:57,660 --> 00:53:55,240
but yeah he added a ton to the to the

1171
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,670
proceedings of course one of my one of

1172
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:00,160
my favorite all-time favorite that

1173
00:54:06,359 --> 00:54:02,290
movies kind of in this genre would be

1174
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:06,369
The Legend of Boggy Creek I mean I even

1175
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:10,900
have it on DVD and I passed out to

1176
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:13,630
dozens of copies to to friends and all

1177
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,750
the turn on to it how did you first hear

1178
00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:18,400
about boggy creek I mean you saw the

1179
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,300
movie obviously actually I didn't I I

1180
00:54:28,260 --> 00:54:25,359
saw the movie after Lyle Blackburn had

1181
00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:28,270
approached us about working on boggy

1182
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,150
creek monster III up until then I hadn't

1183
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:34,000
really been familiar with the original

1184
00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:37,089
movie but but I did you know once I

1185
00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:39,550
discovered it I I discovered that I

1186
00:54:43,859 --> 00:54:41,079
really actually had a love for that

1187
00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:43,869
movie and it's it's grown over the two

1188
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:45,670
years that I've now been familiar with

1189
00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:48,250
it and actually really respect that

1190
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:50,470
movie a lot actually I think a lot of

1191
00:54:56,130 --> 00:54:53,410
the cinematography and stuff and it is

1192
00:54:57,690 --> 00:54:56,140
actually really incredible and even kind

1193
00:54:59,640 --> 00:54:57,700
of ahead of its time in a lot of ways I

1194
00:55:01,980 --> 00:54:59,650
mean in a way it kind of invented the

1195
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:01,990
found footage you know genre I don't

1196
00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:04,569
know if we would have what we have today

1197
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,300
and found footage if not for The Legend

1198
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,520
of Boggy Creek well it just got it just

1199
00:55:14,579 --> 00:55:12,400
goes to show you though you know the the

1200
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:14,589
original director of Boggy Creek is

1201
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:17,050
whose name slips me at the moment I mean

1202
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:18,760
you know working on an extremely limited

1203
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:22,480
budget and so I mean he had to just kind

1204
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:27,430
of work on the fly so you know you can

1205
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:30,250
you can have a you know multi-million

1206
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:32,290
dollar budget and come up with a crap

1207
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:36,460
movie but sometimes I think that when

1208
00:55:41,069 --> 00:55:38,950
you're working on a limited budgets that

1209
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:41,079
you know that really gets your creative

1210
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:43,210
juices flowing and I have a lot of

1211
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:45,970
respect and enjoy movie a lot more

1212
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,609
movies I think that concentrate more on

1213
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:50,000
the plot

1214
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:52,970
you know special effects CGI and all

1215
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,330
that yeah and he was he was creating

1216
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,400
film at a time where they were actually

1217
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:01,040
being made on film so I think you know I

1218
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:03,710
his daughter told me something like 70%

1219
00:56:09,339 --> 00:56:06,290
of the budget of that movie went toward

1220
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:09,349
or buying film you know buying film

1221
00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:11,690
reels because it just it was a totally

1222
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:12,470
different ballgame

1223
00:56:16,570 --> 00:56:14,510
we made our Boggy Creek monster movie

1224
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:16,580
for under $8,000 I thought and that

1225
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:18,890
includes travel expenses paying the

1226
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:21,170
poster artists everything so back then

1227
00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:22,400
you know when you when you're saying

1228
00:56:25,660 --> 00:56:24,440
you're spending $100,000 most of that's

1229
00:56:28,990 --> 00:56:25,670
because of the fact that they had to

1230
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:29,000
film on film you know I can buy a I can

1231
00:56:36,609 --> 00:56:32,810
buy a $40 SD card and shoot 1080 video

1232
00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:36,619
or 4k video you know and it cost me 40

1233
00:56:42,970 --> 00:56:39,140
bucks to do it so yeah well you know a

1234
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:42,980
lot of those those old films were shot

1235
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:47,510
on what we're called ends I don't know

1236
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:49,810
if you're familiar with that term but

1237
00:56:57,220 --> 00:56:54,290
that you say you would have a larger

1238
00:56:59,800 --> 00:56:57,230
company shoot a movie and they wouldn't

1239
00:57:03,099 --> 00:56:59,810
finish the entire roll of film and so

1240
00:57:05,609 --> 00:57:03,109
the there would be leftover film that

1241
00:57:09,970 --> 00:57:05,619
they would cut off and then resell

1242
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:09,980
recant recant yes in fact that's how the

1243
00:57:17,530 --> 00:57:13,910
the Roswell autopsy film got going

1244
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:17,540
somebody high recants from 1947 and so

1245
00:57:21,940 --> 00:57:20,210
they they they put you know whatever

1246
00:57:23,980 --> 00:57:21,950
footage that they had on the night and

1247
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:23,990
people fell for that I mean people don't

1248
00:57:28,540 --> 00:57:25,670
know about filmmaking that's weekend's

1249
00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:28,550
like that many many of the inexpensive

1250
00:57:35,890 --> 00:57:31,820
films especially in the 50s and 60s were

1251
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:35,900
shot that way you know you may have like

1252
00:57:40,780 --> 00:57:37,430
in a hundred two hundred feet of film

1253
00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:40,790
left in these camps that that they would

1254
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:44,780
use yeah yeah yeah like you said big

1255
00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:49,089
difference than just getting as SDS card

1256
00:57:54,550 --> 00:57:52,070
yeah but I I think I think those guys

1257
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:54,560
the the filmmakers well even even guys

1258
00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:56,710
like yourself there there had to be

1259
00:58:01,450 --> 00:57:59,330
probably much more of a focus on quality

1260
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,460
with each shot because you're much more

1261
00:58:06,339 --> 00:58:03,680
aware of the you know the

1262
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:06,349
if you screw this up you're you're

1263
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:08,809
you're wasting money so I think now the

1264
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:12,190
best you could do is like two-for-one

1265
00:58:20,140 --> 00:58:18,290
twice perhaps if you're lucky yeah well

1266
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:20,150
I and we were we were talking earlier

1267
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,250
about the animation for your films the

1268
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:26,960
the Mothman to Point Pleasant I just

1269
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:29,030
want to point out that I also liked and

1270
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:30,710
I guess it was the same same guy who did

1271
00:58:37,809 --> 00:58:33,770
the animation for your new film the

1272
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:37,819
scenes where the guys were were in the

1273
00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:39,770
old powerhouse with Mothman I mean it

1274
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,880
the the animation was just fantastic it

1275
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:46,160
looked almost like an oil painting come

1276
00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:49,359
to life that's that's his style on

1277
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:52,430
Mothman was actually that and if you see

1278
00:58:56,290 --> 00:58:54,410
what he does he actually creates a

1279
00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:56,300
painting and then he takes that into

1280
00:59:01,059 --> 00:58:58,220
After Effects and animates it so it

1281
00:59:03,099 --> 00:59:01,069
starts life as of still painting and I

1282
00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:03,109
think with with the MOC man at Point

1283
00:59:07,420 --> 00:59:05,390
Pleasant he was very consciously trying

1284
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:07,430
to create that oil painting look and

1285
00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:10,250
then he changed it up a little bit for

1286
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:11,990
invasion on Chestnut Ridge and I can

1287
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:14,690
tell you for flatwoods he's changing it

1288
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:16,250
up even more I think it's we're going

1289
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:18,890
with a black and white kind of look on

1290
00:59:23,049 --> 00:59:20,990
firewood so that it's going to play into

1291
00:59:25,059 --> 00:59:23,059
the fact that I'm stylistically our

1292
00:59:27,549 --> 00:59:25,069
flatwoods movies very heavily influenced

1293
00:59:30,250 --> 00:59:27,559
by Forbidden Planet and Day the Earth

1294
00:59:33,130 --> 00:59:30,260
Stood Still in this early 1950s kind of

1295
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:33,140
Cold War era sci-fi so he's kind of

1296
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,089
trying to capture that a little bit in

1297
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:37,280
his animation on that film but all the

1298
00:59:42,190 --> 00:59:38,930
artists do that kind of stuff like Matt

1299
00:59:44,589 --> 00:59:42,200
Harris who's been involved with us since

1300
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:44,599
our minim monster movie in fact he's one

1301
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:46,670
of the only remaining original members

1302
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:48,380
of the crew that have been there since

1303
00:59:52,329 --> 00:59:49,910
Minerva monster

1304
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:52,339
he always approaches each project in a

1305
00:59:57,250 --> 00:59:54,650
different stylistic way as well so but

1306
00:59:59,740 --> 00:59:57,260
we've like I said like those guys the

1307
01:00:01,569 --> 00:59:59,750
animators the guys that create the

1308
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,579
illustrations of stuff they tie the

1309
01:00:05,380 --> 01:00:03,680
entire project together it really takes

1310
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:05,390
on a completely different life when they

1311
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:09,530
send start sending their work in it

1312
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:13,510
really does so now on any of these films

1313
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:17,090
that you have worked on I mean have

1314
01:00:23,830 --> 01:00:20,570
you ever encountered or had anything

1315
01:00:25,210 --> 01:00:23,840
unusual happened while you were while

1316
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:25,220
you were filming I mean you know

1317
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:27,530
naturally and I've seen I think

1318
01:00:31,570 --> 01:00:30,050
practically all of them now yeah you

1319
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:31,580
would if you would have included it if

1320
01:00:35,230 --> 01:00:33,830
you were able to get it on film but you

1321
01:00:37,390 --> 01:00:35,240
know what when you were out doing

1322
01:00:38,740 --> 01:00:37,400
interviews or you know getting b-roll or

1323
01:00:41,790 --> 01:00:38,750
things like that I mean you know

1324
01:00:45,490 --> 01:00:41,800
anything anything unusual happen to you

1325
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:45,500
honestly I wish I had a crazy story and

1326
01:00:49,780 --> 01:00:48,110
I I really don't about the weirdest

1327
01:00:54,730 --> 01:00:49,790
thing that's happened to us actually

1328
01:00:57,580 --> 01:00:54,740
happened to us in the TNT area probably

1329
01:00:59,170 --> 01:00:57,590
it was it was late May of this year and

1330
01:01:00,550 --> 01:00:59,180
we were not there filming one of our

1331
01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:00,560
movies we were actually there shooting

1332
01:01:05,770 --> 01:01:04,190
in Japanese TV show um in which for

1333
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:05,780
whatever reason they decided I would

1334
01:01:11,110 --> 01:01:08,960
make a good Mothman expert so I was

1335
01:01:12,550 --> 01:01:11,120
there mock me an expert on this Japanese

1336
01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:12,560
I was thought you were gonna say you

1337
01:01:17,530 --> 01:01:15,470
would make a good Mothman that's they

1338
01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:17,540
probably would have asked if they

1339
01:01:22,690 --> 01:01:19,790
thought I would go for it but um we were

1340
01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:22,700
back in the TNT area and in an in an

1341
01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:24,830
area that there really aren't many

1342
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:27,260
people it's it's actually one of the the

1343
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:29,210
sections that's owned by the Farm Museum

1344
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:31,130
that's that's really near there so

1345
01:01:35,980 --> 01:01:33,170
you're down by the aqueducts rather than

1346
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:35,990
over by the bunkers but we were back on

1347
01:01:43,210 --> 01:01:39,730
this abandoned trail up on this hill and

1348
01:01:47,170 --> 01:01:43,220
something on two Hills on both sides of

1349
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,180
us started throwing rocks at us and so

1350
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:49,280
we you know Brandon and I who is also

1351
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:50,990
with me we got real excited because we

1352
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:52,250
started thinking well this is really

1353
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,930
weird to be happening you know why

1354
01:01:57,310 --> 01:01:55,760
you're in the TNT area and you're out

1355
01:01:58,750 --> 01:01:57,320
looking for Mothman and all of a sudden

1356
01:02:01,570 --> 01:01:58,760
you have what you consider like a

1357
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,580
Bigfoot type activity start happening so

1358
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:03,920
we you know we got really amped up about

1359
01:02:08,530 --> 01:02:06,050
it and the Japanese film crew meanwhile

1360
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:08,540
absolutely irate that Brandon and I are

1361
01:02:11,950 --> 01:02:10,250
like on our knees on the ground trying

1362
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,960
to find the rocks that were coming off

1363
01:02:16,750 --> 01:02:14,000
the hill and they're just trying to get

1364
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:16,760
down back down to the base camp so we

1365
01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:19,610
can find their fake Mothman who was

1366
01:02:23,380 --> 01:02:21,590
actually just one of the the crew member

1367
01:02:27,460 --> 01:02:23,390
the Japanese crew members hiding in the

1368
01:02:30,089 --> 01:02:27,470
bushes but we we ended up they left us

1369
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,099
they walked off and left us there and

1370
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:32,079
after they left us I killed my head I

1371
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:33,430
was wearing a headlamp I killed my

1372
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:35,950
headlamp and as soon as I did there was

1373
01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:38,319
this kind of muttering you know that's

1374
01:02:41,609 --> 01:02:39,880
really weird kind of talking or

1375
01:02:43,979 --> 01:02:41,619
something that happened in the middle of

1376
01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:43,989
the trail maybe 20 years 30 feet away

1377
01:02:48,299 --> 01:02:46,660
from us and as I flipped my light back

1378
01:02:49,469 --> 01:02:48,309
on because it freaked me out so that as

1379
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:49,479
soon as the light came back on it

1380
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:52,900
stopped and then Brandon came over and

1381
01:02:56,249 --> 01:02:54,609
as soon as he walked over he he turned

1382
01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:56,259
off his headlamp and I turned mine off

1383
01:03:00,960 --> 01:02:58,930
and we heard it start up again so it was

1384
01:03:03,989 --> 01:03:00,970
it was really weird I can't say what it

1385
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,999
was it could definitely be people you

1386
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:06,400
know because it's it's West Virginia and

1387
01:03:09,870 --> 01:03:07,839
there's people in those woods

1388
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:09,880
oh yeah probably probably more so than

1389
01:03:14,279 --> 01:03:12,640
them Bigfoot's so but it was it that's

1390
01:03:18,089 --> 01:03:14,289
about the weirdest thing I've had happen

1391
01:03:22,739 --> 01:03:18,099
to me well I mean I've I've been back in

1392
01:03:24,569 --> 01:03:22,749
that area and I mean probably in some of

1393
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:24,579
those areas that you were that you know

1394
01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:27,249
our aren't really there pretty much off

1395
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:30,599
the beaten trail and even to this day

1396
01:03:38,999 --> 01:03:33,970
there's just I don't know an arrow

1397
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:39,009
weirdness about about that place I don't

1398
01:03:45,930 --> 01:03:43,210
know yeah yeah and we we we went to some

1399
01:03:50,009 --> 01:03:45,940
places I've never been before including

1400
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:50,019
this kind of abandoned water silo they

1401
01:03:54,839 --> 01:03:51,729
were there was there were a couple

1402
01:03:57,479 --> 01:03:54,849
places that I'd never been to there when

1403
01:03:59,009 --> 01:03:57,489
we were we were there and and in one of

1404
01:04:00,989 --> 01:03:59,019
them we actually had to crawl down

1405
01:04:03,299 --> 01:04:00,999
through this really like it was

1406
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:03,309
completely overgrown but one of the guys

1407
01:04:06,329 --> 01:04:04,569
that was with us knew about it because

1408
01:04:08,459 --> 01:04:06,339
apparently he used to as a kid go back

1409
01:04:10,349 --> 01:04:08,469
down there and hang out and probably

1410
01:04:12,809 --> 01:04:10,359
mess around smoke pot or whatever but

1411
01:04:14,910 --> 01:04:12,819
like he actually cut a little trail

1412
01:04:17,279 --> 01:04:14,920
through the underbrush for us to get

1413
01:04:19,499 --> 01:04:17,289
down to this abandoned building and once

1414
01:04:21,509 --> 01:04:19,509
you were inside I was convinced at any

1415
01:04:23,309 --> 01:04:21,519
minute we were going to be you know

1416
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:23,319
visited by the Mothman or something just

1417
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:25,089
because so there's something yeah like

1418
01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:26,319
you said there's an air of weirdness

1419
01:04:32,999 --> 01:04:31,150
about that whole place man just it just

1420
01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:33,009
it just never it just never goes away

1421
01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:37,840
well and you know your film the Mothman

1422
01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:41,590
the Point Pleasant you know I appreciate

1423
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:47,080
that you you included the you know the

1424
01:04:51,870 --> 01:04:50,200
the other high strangeness cases that

1425
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:51,880
were going on at the same time because

1426
01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:54,490
you know I've seen other documentaries

1427
01:04:58,560 --> 01:04:56,980
and your short films or whatever and

1428
01:05:00,300 --> 01:04:58,570
they they mostly just you know

1429
01:05:01,980 --> 01:05:00,310
concentrate on the Mothman but there was

1430
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:01,990
so much more going on at the time I mean

1431
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:05,290
you know the minim black UFOs just I

1432
01:05:11,310 --> 01:05:07,510
mean and not not to forget to woody

1433
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:11,320
derenberger is a UFO yes yes in fact I I

1434
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:13,570
knew what he would II he came to New

1435
01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:17,890
York and gave a lecture for a group back

1436
01:05:25,350 --> 01:05:21,940
in the I guess it was the mid the 70s

1437
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,360
and he had just written this a little a

1438
01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:27,520
book called the visitors from laniel

1439
01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:30,760
owes and and of course granulosus was

1440
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:33,880
known as they the nudist planet I mean

1441
01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:38,050
everybody walked around there the sky

1442
01:05:44,310 --> 01:05:41,740
was where sky sky clad sky khon there's

1443
01:05:48,450 --> 01:05:44,320
like a clad yeah that's the genial way

1444
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:48,460
of putting it so yeah he was a character

1445
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:51,490
there was some wife-swapping going on

1446
01:05:59,100 --> 01:05:56,350
and some other events but there were

1447
01:06:03,300 --> 01:05:59,110
other people that lived down there and

1448
01:06:04,890 --> 01:06:03,310
in and around a Point Pleasant I can't

1449
01:06:08,540 --> 01:06:04,900
remember the exact time that he lived in

1450
01:06:13,170 --> 01:06:08,550
but that that we're having music yeah I

1451
01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:13,180
just yeah he was he was like right up in

1452
01:06:19,470 --> 01:06:16,060
Mineral Wells with us about yeah maybe

1453
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,480
45 minutes from point five and I always

1454
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:22,000
wondered you know what propels somebody

1455
01:06:29,490 --> 01:06:25,090
to if it's a made-up story to make

1456
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:29,500
something like that up yeah I don't know

1457
01:06:34,830 --> 01:06:31,330
I interviewed I actually just

1458
01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:34,840
interviewed his daughter about their

1459
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:39,040
experiences as a family for small town

1460
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:42,610
monster's Case Files and she she is you

1461
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:44,380
know he's still convinced to this day

1462
01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:46,300
that her dad didn't make it up and she's

1463
01:06:51,540 --> 01:06:48,790
also claimed that you know she had

1464
01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:51,550
dinner with with injured Cole

1465
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:55,480
and all this kind of stuff so and uh you

1466
01:07:01,290 --> 01:06:58,930
know you you honestly probably know so

1467
01:07:02,940 --> 01:07:01,300
obviously so much more about this stuff

1468
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,950
than I do like earlier in the show when

1469
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:04,240
you guys were just talking about John

1470
01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:05,920
keel like that kind of stuff

1471
01:07:12,810 --> 01:07:08,950
I adore because I never got to meet keel

1472
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:12,820
and you know I'm coming into this after

1473
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:14,650
the fact but to hear you guys actually

1474
01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:16,330
talked about keel as a man to me it's

1475
01:07:21,780 --> 01:07:18,280
really exciting because I I didn't know

1476
01:07:26,070 --> 01:07:21,790
him yeah we even went to see killer

1477
01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:26,080
Klowns from outer space together that

1478
01:07:33,570 --> 01:07:31,150
became one of our favorite movies it was

1479
01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:33,580
but it lasted for three days on Time

1480
01:07:38,490 --> 01:07:35,980
Square and then it it disappeared

1481
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:38,500
although of course it's played you know

1482
01:07:46,170 --> 01:07:43,750
in the midnight movies and it streams on

1483
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:46,180
Netflix or one of these channels and

1484
01:07:51,780 --> 01:07:47,890
it's it's quite a film if you haven't

1485
01:07:56,310 --> 01:07:51,790
seen it the UFO is in the shape of a

1486
01:07:58,920 --> 01:07:56,320
circus tent and the aliens are clowns

1487
01:08:03,180 --> 01:07:58,930
and they're ray guns are shootout cotton

1488
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:03,190
candy well you know I remember Woody's

1489
01:08:12,420 --> 01:08:07,930
wife talking about meeting injured Cole

1490
01:08:14,910 --> 01:08:12,430
and the others and she she said that

1491
01:08:18,329 --> 01:08:14,920
they scared her that she thought that

1492
01:08:20,690 --> 01:08:18,339
they were up to no good and because they

1493
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:20,700
look so human that they were basically

1494
01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:24,670
infiltrating you know mankind or

1495
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:29,100
something but I know that you know after

1496
01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:32,290
after he died I think wasn't it Tim that

1497
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:34,720
you know she came forward and and said

1498
01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:36,490
that you know she didn't know what was

1499
01:08:40,050 --> 01:08:38,500
going on but she know that she knew that

1500
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:40,060
there you know something was happening

1501
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:43,450
something real was going on and there

1502
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:45,730
were other people kinda is reminiscent

1503
01:08:52,289 --> 01:08:49,810
of the Howard manager experiences there

1504
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:52,299
were other people there - who saw ships

1505
01:08:58,440 --> 01:08:55,690
landing behind their house and all sorts

1506
01:09:02,249 --> 01:08:58,450
of weird phenomena that cannot easily be

1507
01:09:04,650 --> 01:09:02,259
explained but that's a said I mean there

1508
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:04,660
was just all kinds of you know unusual

1509
01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:05,350
phenomena

1510
01:09:10,620 --> 01:09:08,500
taking place in that area you know at

1511
01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:10,630
that time I mean as you know Seth

1512
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:13,780
pointed out in his film you know people

1513
01:09:22,260 --> 01:09:15,850
had been seen you know like a Birdman

1514
01:09:25,890 --> 01:09:22,270
four years before you know 1967 but you

1515
01:09:28,829 --> 01:09:25,900
know I think that there was a major flap

1516
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:28,839
of UFOs that took place at around the

1517
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:30,850
same time as in Birdman which you know

1518
01:09:37,050 --> 01:09:34,089
was really unusual and I hear the music

1519
01:09:38,370 --> 01:09:37,060
playing Tim so that means that we're

1520
01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:38,380
gonna have to go to our bottom of the

1521
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:40,390
hour break already here we are at the

1522
01:09:45,059 --> 01:09:43,839
bottom of the hour all right well when

1523
01:09:48,420 --> 01:09:45,069
we come back we'll continue our

1524
01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:48,430
conversation with Peter Barnard and set

1525
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:51,910
free love on exploring the bizarre so

1526
01:10:03,439 --> 01:09:54,530
stay tuned for our

1527
01:10:10,169 --> 01:10:07,590
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1528
01:10:13,169 --> 01:10:10,179
two of the most electrifying researchers

1529
01:10:19,470 --> 01:10:13,179
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1530
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:19,480
Rebecca Lee panting Swartz and some of

1531
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,610
the most electrifying yes that's right

1532
01:10:26,129 --> 01:10:24,159
that's right our guests our guests are

1533
01:10:30,270 --> 01:10:26,139
what make the show we just said bass

1534
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:30,280
that's that care humbly and ask ask a

1535
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:33,210
few questions a Peter Thunderbirds

1536
01:10:38,450 --> 01:10:36,250
Thunderbirds Thunderbirds

1537
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:38,460
[Laughter]

1538
01:10:42,209 --> 01:10:40,420
yeah I don't know that much about

1539
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:42,219
Thunderbirds I'm fascinated with

1540
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:44,290
pterodactyls and like when people say

1541
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:45,850
the pterodactyls are still around I

1542
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,850
would love for them to be and I but yeah

1543
01:10:55,229 --> 01:10:50,400
birds are hard to animate so I usually

1544
01:10:57,419 --> 01:10:55,239
don't write stories about the I did a

1545
01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:57,429
Mothman thing which was actually all

1546
01:11:03,000 --> 01:10:59,260
from was real stuff from lawn

1547
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:03,010
strickler's blog and that I was easy to

1548
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:04,719
enemy because they glide so I could just

1549
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:06,130
like hold it still and move it through

1550
01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:09,370
the 3d space and put it over pictures of

1551
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,320
Chicago because there's more flying over

1552
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:13,120
Chicago like a lot of people are seeing

1553
01:11:17,939 --> 01:11:16,690
this man bad thing in Chicago and I find

1554
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:17,949
it fascinating but and a lot of the

1555
01:11:22,979 --> 01:11:19,810
sightings a number of the sightings are

1556
01:11:26,939 --> 01:11:22,989
right around Second City the comedy

1557
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,949
theater there and I used to help but Amy

1558
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:28,480
Poehler and her friends there from there

1559
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:30,730
they're from Chicago and they came to

1560
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:34,690
New York and they were pulling media

1561
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:36,489
pranks and also I had our local TV show

1562
01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:38,710
so they would give me films to run to

1563
01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:41,230
help them with these pranks and we're

1564
01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:42,310
supposed to present them and say they're

1565
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:43,480
real is oh because they were also

1566
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:45,330
influenced by Andy Kaufman that was my

1567
01:11:49,740 --> 01:11:47,650
connection with them we all loved

1568
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:49,750
antique elephant kind of pranks but they

1569
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:53,110
did this one thing where they started

1570
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:54,790
writing the local newspaper of the New

1571
01:11:58,290 --> 01:11:56,110
York Press which doesn't exist anymore

1572
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:58,300
and they had a letter section that

1573
01:12:01,260 --> 01:11:59,679
everyone read for some reason is very

1574
01:12:03,570 --> 01:12:01,270
popular and so they started writing

1575
01:12:05,490 --> 01:12:03,580
saying that there was a sport that was

1576
01:12:07,169 --> 01:12:05,500
real called Thunder ball where I was

1577
01:12:08,580 --> 01:12:07,179
like baseball except that after you hit

1578
01:12:10,050 --> 01:12:08,590
the ball you can carry the bat with you

1579
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:10,060
and try and hit the fielders if they try

1580
01:12:12,930 --> 01:12:11,650
and tag them out and stuff like that and

1581
01:12:14,189 --> 01:12:12,940
so they

1582
01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:14,199
started writing letters to the Newark

1583
01:12:17,130 --> 01:12:16,180
press saying this is the American sport

1584
01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:17,140
it's the great sport and then other

1585
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:18,760
people would write in saying no it's

1586
01:12:22,590 --> 01:12:20,890
it's unamerican it's it's a violent and

1587
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,600
it should be banned and but the whole

1588
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:24,400
thing was - so then they would they

1589
01:12:27,420 --> 01:12:26,350
asked us to write in and then they asked

1590
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:27,430
their audience they would ask to

1591
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:29,110
writings at every show to write ins in

1592
01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:31,620
Europe press and take a side on the the

1593
01:12:37,380 --> 01:12:33,550
Thunderball issue I think it was called

1594
01:12:39,209 --> 01:12:37,390
so when I noticed that a lot of the

1595
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:39,219
Mothman sightings in Chicago

1596
01:12:44,459 --> 01:12:43,030
in second city I started to think you

1597
01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:44,469
know this could be something like that

1598
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:48,040
it could be an organized prank with one

1599
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:51,730
central source and I suggested Toulon

1600
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:53,530
Strickler no actually I didn't I said

1601
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:55,030
suggested to friends and they suggested

1602
01:12:59,970 --> 01:12:58,630
to LA instructor on Twitter that if

1603
01:13:01,260 --> 01:12:59,980
somebody really want to investigate this

1604
01:13:03,090 --> 01:13:01,270
they should look at everyone's Facebook

1605
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:03,100
that reports stuff see if they've been

1606
01:13:09,420 --> 01:13:05,440
to a local comedy show recently see if

1607
01:13:11,010 --> 01:13:09,430
their improv students or you know look

1608
01:13:12,330 --> 01:13:11,020
into that kind of stuff and there are a

1609
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:12,340
lot of different kinds of people who

1610
01:13:16,530 --> 01:13:14,530
pull different kinds of pranks and a lot

1611
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:16,540
of it's just because of the thrill of

1612
01:13:21,420 --> 01:13:18,820
influence in influencing the local

1613
01:13:23,130 --> 01:13:21,430
culture you know so my main interest in

1614
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:23,140
all this kind of stuff is the cultural

1615
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:24,610
aspect because I'm an artist I'm not a

1616
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:26,620
scientist you know and I don't pretend

1617
01:13:30,810 --> 01:13:28,690
to be scientists that's kind of why I

1618
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:30,820
like Kiel he thought of himself as an

1619
01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:33,370
artist and a journalist he didn't see he

1620
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:35,020
didn't like say oh I'm a cryptozoologist

1621
01:13:39,689 --> 01:13:36,850
I'm a scientist you have to take him

1622
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:39,699
seriously he was the first to make jokes

1623
01:13:46,140 --> 01:13:41,560
about himself and make jokes about the

1624
01:13:47,820 --> 01:13:46,150
situation so um yeah but a lot of times

1625
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:47,830
when I bring that up to people they take

1626
01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:49,180
it the wrong way and they take it like

1627
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:50,590
oh you don't believe in you're a cynic

1628
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:52,630
or whatever look no I don't believe or

1629
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:53,920
disbelieve one of the things that he'll

1630
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,290
always told me was that it's very

1631
01:13:59,700 --> 01:13:58,480
important to remain agnostic when you're

1632
01:14:02,900 --> 01:13:59,710
dealing with all this stuff because if

1633
01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:02,910
you start to believe anything in this

1634
01:14:07,770 --> 01:14:06,100
area of the weird area then you're gonna

1635
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,780
go crazy because that's what happens to

1636
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:09,280
the contactees and so forth yeah yeah

1637
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:11,770
but he come on he had enough weird

1638
01:14:16,650 --> 01:14:15,489
experiences that would make a person the

1639
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:16,660
you know mind whirl

1640
01:14:20,670 --> 01:14:19,330
I mean he even had that he even had

1641
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:20,680
people going underneath his kitchen

1642
01:14:26,130 --> 01:14:23,650
cabinet like an interdimensional I mean

1643
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:26,140
he had he had a whole lot of things and

1644
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:26,650
of course

1645
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:29,530
telephone calls that he received in the

1646
01:14:33,570 --> 01:14:31,750
home yeah yeah in the end point pleasure

1647
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:33,580
guy who does John keel comm kind of

1648
01:14:37,740 --> 01:14:36,070
solved that mystery though he it seems

1649
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:37,750
that he did he found circumstantial

1650
01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:39,730
evidence that suggest strongly that it

1651
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:41,350
was this family from Connecticut that

1652
01:14:44,189 --> 01:14:42,730
was actually spying on him not the

1653
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:44,199
government or whatever there were these

1654
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,580
people who were convinced that you have

1655
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,199
people involved in UFOs were like

1656
01:14:50,189 --> 01:14:48,880
Russians or something like that it

1657
01:14:51,780 --> 01:14:50,199
wasn't so they were paranoid and so they

1658
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,790
were spying on qu'il to find out if he

1659
01:14:56,459 --> 01:14:53,920
was a Russian spy and just trying to you

1660
01:14:57,959 --> 01:14:56,469
know mess with people's minds if there

1661
01:15:00,090 --> 01:14:57,969
was some kind of nefarious reason he was

1662
01:15:01,410 --> 01:15:00,100
writing these things so that seems to be

1663
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:01,420
what what that was about

1664
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:03,610
you can check John keel comm not that

1665
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:05,140
like that guy does a great job

1666
01:15:16,740 --> 01:15:14,790
what about him yeah well I mean did you

1667
01:15:18,959 --> 01:15:16,750
do anything is he really ready did you

1668
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:18,969
do any research on other telephone calls

1669
01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:23,170
or what or him being a legitimate person

1670
01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:26,260
or a real person or I really haven't

1671
01:15:32,370 --> 01:15:29,830
done any in-depth like investigating

1672
01:15:34,410 --> 01:15:32,380
into this stuff and I haven't been able

1673
01:15:36,270 --> 01:15:34,420
to do that kind of thing since our first

1674
01:15:38,370 --> 01:15:36,280
movie simply because of the amount of

1675
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:38,380
time we spend you know working on the

1676
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:39,730
movie and then moving on to the next

1677
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:43,360
movie so I would love to do something

1678
01:15:47,220 --> 01:15:44,560
you got to do it you got it

1679
01:15:49,380 --> 01:15:47,230
what director's cut right right well

1680
01:15:51,419 --> 01:15:49,390
that's that's kind of what Case Files is

1681
01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:51,429
gonna be Case Files this is like free

1682
01:15:57,780 --> 01:15:54,600
web series we're putting up on YouTube

1683
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:57,790
where I'm going to try to find the time

1684
01:16:02,970 --> 01:16:00,400
somehow to interview additional people

1685
01:16:05,550 --> 01:16:02,980
and then add in some cutscenes and stuff

1686
01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:05,560
from our movies to kind of expand the

1687
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,230
backstory of some some aspects of the

1688
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:10,719
film that some people might feel you

1689
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:12,850
know didn't get enough time on on screen

1690
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:14,650
so that would definitely include you

1691
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:17,770
know the injured cold and the things

1692
01:16:23,729 --> 01:16:21,130
like you know the the UFO aspect of the

1693
01:16:26,490 --> 01:16:23,739
Whitehall Bigfoot case and you know just

1694
01:16:28,050 --> 01:16:26,500
different things like that so I did you

1695
01:16:30,330 --> 01:16:28,060
know that's that's why I went and

1696
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,340
interviewed Tonya derenberger I found

1697
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:32,800
out she lived fairly and close to me so

1698
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:34,810
I went and you know I took the

1699
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:37,130
opportunity to talk to her about

1700
01:16:43,060 --> 01:16:40,190
injured and and that mean the way that

1701
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:43,070
influenced her life hurt her take on

1702
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,890
injured is very different from anything

1703
01:16:50,020 --> 01:16:47,600
else that I've heard and uh you know I

1704
01:16:53,170 --> 01:16:50,030
don't know how to take that exactly

1705
01:16:55,660 --> 01:16:53,180
but she you know to her he was just

1706
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:55,670
basically like her dad's friend

1707
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:00,320
her dad's exotic friend and she claimed

1708
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:03,770
that you know he him and his wife and

1709
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,170
kids came to her house and had had

1710
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:07,760
dinner with them one night and stuff

1711
01:17:13,690 --> 01:17:10,960
like that so it's it's it's almost like

1712
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,700
one of those situations where the more

1713
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:16,400
you learn about it the more bizarre it

1714
01:17:23,470 --> 01:17:18,530
becomes and the more questions it leaves

1715
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,480
you with I guess that in that area you

1716
01:17:28,140 --> 01:17:25,760
know people who grew up during that time

1717
01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:28,150
endured cold kind of became almost like

1718
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:32,950
the bully man of the of the regent and

1719
01:17:38,350 --> 01:17:35,810
you know people still talk about him I

1720
01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:38,360
mean you know which is to be kind of odd

1721
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:40,070
because he seems almost to be like you

1722
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:41,770
know I mean it's kind of like a fringe

1723
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:44,570
aspect of everything that went on there

1724
01:17:49,570 --> 01:17:46,730
but I mean there are people who talk

1725
01:17:53,020 --> 01:17:49,580
about him like like he's still living

1726
01:17:56,050 --> 01:17:53,030
next door almost yes something she said

1727
01:17:59,680 --> 01:17:56,060
that that's very interesting is that

1728
01:18:03,090 --> 01:17:59,690
that injuried was seen by other

1729
01:18:05,530 --> 01:18:03,100
motorists that night along the road

1730
01:18:07,090 --> 01:18:05,540
which is something I'd wondered about

1731
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:07,100
for a while and she was telling me she

1732
01:18:14,170 --> 01:18:10,310
she had actually dug into some archives

1733
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:14,180
at Ace she said there's a UFO archive in

1734
01:18:18,700 --> 01:18:16,610
Switzerland I believe and she had

1735
01:18:20,890 --> 01:18:18,710
contacted them and maybe you guys can

1736
01:18:23,980 --> 01:18:20,900
speak to the truth behind that but she

1737
01:18:27,190 --> 01:18:23,990
spoke to them and they they were able to

1738
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:27,200
verify that there were reports of other

1739
01:18:33,460 --> 01:18:29,930
motorists who had seen would he pulled

1740
01:18:36,220 --> 01:18:33,470
over on the side of that road talking to

1741
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:36,230
someone who was standing on the side

1742
01:18:40,300 --> 01:18:37,610
they were talking to him through the car

1743
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:40,310
she they need there's no reports of a

1744
01:18:44,110 --> 01:18:42,290
UFO but they did see him pulled over

1745
01:18:47,230 --> 01:18:44,120
talking to a man which I thought was

1746
01:18:49,390 --> 01:18:47,240
intriguing because yeah I don't 77s a

1747
01:18:50,620 --> 01:18:49,400
busy highway in fact I went to the exact

1748
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:50,630
spot where his

1749
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:52,910
fighting would have occurred or at least

1750
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:54,890
within you know a relatively close

1751
01:18:58,690 --> 01:18:56,810
proximity to where it would have

1752
01:19:02,140 --> 01:18:58,700
occurred and obviously things would have

1753
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:02,150
been a little different in 1966 but you

1754
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:03,410
know still there would have been other

1755
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:06,050
motorists on a major highway like that

1756
01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:08,690
so I was always curious other people had

1757
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:10,910
said anything about seeing him the other

1758
01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:12,410
thing I thought was intriguing about

1759
01:19:17,740 --> 01:19:14,990
that is the report that we included in

1760
01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:17,750
the movie that Kiel had actually

1761
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:21,260
mentioned where where there was a car

1762
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:23,930
that was headed southbound woody was

1763
01:19:27,870 --> 01:19:25,790
headed well woody was headed southbound

1764
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:27,880
the other car was headed northbound

1765
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:31,310
about an hour after Woody's sighting and

1766
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:35,090
they said that they saw a ship land in

1767
01:19:39,370 --> 01:19:37,010
the road in front of their car and two

1768
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,380
men and overalls or coveralls get out of

1769
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:41,840
it and that would have been going in the

1770
01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:45,890
opposite direction of Woody's I might be

1771
01:19:48,730 --> 01:19:47,390
mixing up two stories they might have

1772
01:19:50,530 --> 01:19:48,740
actually I think what they actually said

1773
01:19:52,570 --> 01:19:50,540
they saw it was the the grinning man is

1774
01:19:54,460 --> 01:19:52,580
how they referred to him not to Cove

1775
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,470
coveralls I know who I'm getting that

1776
01:19:58,060 --> 01:19:56,000
mixed up but I thought that was an

1777
01:20:00,040 --> 01:19:58,070
intriguing exciting because it seems to

1778
01:20:03,490 --> 01:20:00,050
verify that something was going on right

1779
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:03,500
in that vicinity that night whatever it

1780
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:04,610
was I have no idea

1781
01:20:11,740 --> 01:20:10,250
now how time wise well what was the the

1782
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:11,750
timeline between then and the Point

1783
01:20:18,370 --> 01:20:15,110
Pleasant sightings well the Point

1784
01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:18,380
Pleasant sightings kicked up right

1785
01:20:24,850 --> 01:20:21,320
around what like a week later or a

1786
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:24,860
couple days later because it ties it

1787
01:20:32,290 --> 01:20:27,890
also ties in to the to the sighting of

1788
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:32,300
the weird lights on the farm and now I'm

1789
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:34,250
blanking on the witness's name but that

1790
01:20:40,030 --> 01:20:36,770
the the man the farmer who owned the dog

1791
01:20:42,130 --> 01:20:40,040
the bandit that ran off after oh yes yes

1792
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:42,140
the red lights and never came back but

1793
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:44,570
all that all took place days prior to

1794
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:47,510
the Scarberry Mallett sighting of course

1795
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:49,970
the Scarberry Mallett sighting isn't the

1796
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,850
actual first sighting of the Mothman it

1797
01:20:57,090 --> 01:20:54,080
seems like the first sighting of the

1798
01:21:00,940 --> 01:20:57,100
Mothman would have been at the clendenon

1799
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:00,950
graveyard when the gravediggers saw saw

1800
01:21:04,450 --> 01:21:03,410
the monster or saw the Mothman what's

1801
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:04,460
intriguing about that is

1802
01:21:09,700 --> 01:21:07,040
when Denon it's actually extremely close

1803
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:09,710
to flatwoods it's right down the road

1804
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:12,290
from flatwoods so it's it's actually

1805
01:21:16,270 --> 01:21:14,450
closer to flatwoods than it would be to

1806
01:21:18,490 --> 01:21:16,280
to Point Pleasant but they said they saw

1807
01:21:20,650 --> 01:21:18,500
you know something that seems to have

1808
01:21:24,670 --> 01:21:20,660
resembled the Mothman flyover while they

1809
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:24,680
were digging that grave and then there

1810
01:21:31,300 --> 01:21:26,840
was a sighting at the National Guard

1811
01:21:34,210 --> 01:21:31,310
Armory which is right right by the TNT

1812
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:34,220
Factory area so there was a sighting

1813
01:21:38,860 --> 01:21:36,820
there prior to the Scarberry mellotts

1814
01:21:41,260 --> 01:21:38,870
encounter as well so there were a couple

1815
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,270
you know possible Mothman sightings

1816
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:43,760
prior to the Scarberry amounts it just

1817
01:21:48,130 --> 01:21:45,890
seems like discovery mallets is what

1818
01:21:50,380 --> 01:21:48,140
really kicked everything off but what

1819
01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:50,390
confuses me and maybe you guys might

1820
01:21:55,150 --> 01:21:52,310
have an answer here but what confuses me

1821
01:21:57,670 --> 01:21:55,160
about the Scarberry mallets encounter is

1822
01:22:01,150 --> 01:21:57,680
that there was a fifth person that was

1823
01:22:04,660 --> 01:22:01,160
with them that night who is is left out

1824
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:04,670
of typical reports of the way that that

1825
01:22:09,340 --> 01:22:07,610
evening went down and including in our

1826
01:22:11,380 --> 01:22:09,350
film we didn't included because I wasn't

1827
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:11,390
able to verify anything but supposedly

1828
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:14,320
there was a fifth occupant of the car

1829
01:22:20,170 --> 01:22:17,570
and in fact Loren Coleman pointed out to

1830
01:22:21,670 --> 01:22:20,180
me he's in the photo the famous photo of

1831
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:21,680
the scar berries and the mallets

1832
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:23,840
standing together he's standing right

1833
01:22:28,660 --> 01:22:26,810
behind them kind of in frame but in

1834
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:28,670
shadow enough that you never noticed him

1835
01:22:33,460 --> 01:22:31,280
and was someone point him out to you and

1836
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:33,470
and I believe he was one of their

1837
01:22:40,030 --> 01:22:35,690
cousins but supposedly he was in the car

1838
01:22:42,940 --> 01:22:40,040
with them that night well I had I have

1839
01:22:45,070 --> 01:22:42,950
heard and and and they may have told you

1840
01:22:48,010 --> 01:22:45,080
this or you know the people who involved

1841
01:22:53,950 --> 01:22:48,020
with this that that they were actually

1842
01:22:57,850 --> 01:22:53,960
out looking to harass teenagers other

1843
01:23:02,380 --> 01:22:57,860
teenagers at lovers lanes there in the

1844
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:02,390
the TNT area so that is always kind of

1845
01:23:05,550 --> 01:23:03,890
surprised me that they after their

1846
01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:05,560
encounter they went to the police

1847
01:23:12,420 --> 01:23:08,920
because they had already been out I

1848
01:23:14,530 --> 01:23:12,430
guess shiny shiny lights on other cars

1849
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,540
supposedly the story goes that they were

1850
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:17,600
they were out there on Lovers Lane you

1851
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:17,930
know

1852
01:23:22,180 --> 01:23:21,050
hanging out in a light diet her I would

1853
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,190
heard that they would they were out

1854
01:23:26,770 --> 01:23:24,320
because you know I mean what they were

1855
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:26,780
they were already married and they were

1856
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:30,320
out having their fun by harassing

1857
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:36,110
anybody else trying to have fun so it

1858
01:23:45,670 --> 01:23:39,520
Seth have you investigated any of the

1859
01:23:49,870 --> 01:23:45,680
the Thunderbirds no other than the the

1860
01:23:52,270 --> 01:23:49,880
report that we have in our film you know

1861
01:23:53,860 --> 01:23:52,280
at the summer bird signing up on the

1862
01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:53,870
Chestnut Ridge we haven't done much with

1863
01:23:59,200 --> 01:23:56,420
the Thunderbird stories there's the you

1864
01:24:03,180 --> 01:23:59,210
know the accounts of the Birdman which

1865
01:24:05,860 --> 01:24:03,190
which almost has Thunderbird like the

1866
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:05,870
characteristics that's talked about in

1867
01:24:11,770 --> 01:24:09,650
our movie that's about it in the Mothman

1868
01:24:16,660 --> 01:24:11,780
movie that's about as close as we've

1869
01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:16,670
gotten so I talked to Ken Gerhard at

1870
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:18,440
length about that stuff because he's

1871
01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:20,690
he's a big you know Thunderbird

1872
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:24,260
researcher but I haven't delved into it

1873
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:29,600
much for myself oh you really you you

1874
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:32,690
really should I that would be a good

1875
01:24:37,060 --> 01:24:34,310
movie for you to do because I'm thinking

1876
01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:37,070
about like the the Illinois and there

1877
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:39,590
were some in Indiana sightings that took

1878
01:24:45,790 --> 01:24:42,110
place as a whole or like a flap haha

1879
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:45,800
clap of thunder bird sightings in the in

1880
01:24:52,930 --> 01:24:50,090
the 70s so - there's a an etching or a

1881
01:24:55,690 --> 01:24:52,940
painting on the side of the I think is

1882
01:24:59,170 --> 01:24:55,700
it's a Mississippi River that were

1883
01:25:01,150 --> 01:24:59,180
supposedly made by a Native Americans I

1884
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:01,160
believe it's been retouched over the

1885
01:25:07,450 --> 01:25:05,210
years but oh yeah it it's it's collapsed

1886
01:25:12,130 --> 01:25:07,460
now they have I guess it's like a metal

1887
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:12,140
mural that hangs over the sides yes TSS

1888
01:25:18,430 --> 01:25:14,930
Bird I think it's cool yes yes yeah yeah

1889
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:18,440
very very spectacular looking so and

1890
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:20,540
yeah there's a whole Native American you

1891
01:25:26,910 --> 01:25:22,130
know traditional Thunderbird in that

1892
01:25:34,620 --> 01:25:30,600
so when do you expect your your

1893
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:34,630
flatwoods monster film to be finished

1894
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:37,990
and then released it'll be released

1895
01:25:42,570 --> 01:25:41,440
right around April 6th which that's I

1896
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:42,580
think this is the first time I've

1897
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:43,750
actually said that really stayed

1898
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:45,910
anywhere but yeah I think April 6th is

1899
01:25:52,110 --> 01:25:49,360
the planned release date it's going to

1900
01:25:56,670 --> 01:25:52,120
be a short film it's probably gonna be

1901
01:25:59,040 --> 01:25:56,680
around 40 to 45 minutes and yeah April

1902
01:26:00,740 --> 01:25:59,050
early April is the plan there and then

1903
01:26:02,580 --> 01:26:00,750
in June we're putting out a champ

1904
01:26:05,460 --> 01:26:02,590
miniseries which is about the lake

1905
01:26:08,940 --> 01:26:05,470
champlain monster yeah and then we are

1906
01:26:11,550 --> 01:26:08,950
doing a Bray Road documentary next

1907
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:11,560
October so and we launch we do we fund

1908
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:13,150
all of our films through Kickstarter so

1909
01:26:18,510 --> 01:26:15,310
that that'll probably launch right

1910
01:26:22,940 --> 01:26:18,520
around January 26th what would you say

1911
01:26:27,660 --> 01:26:22,950
is your most popular profitable movie

1912
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:27,670
Mothman wealth minute no yeah yeah yeah

1913
01:26:33,630 --> 01:26:29,890
the Mothman movie actually was fairly

1914
01:26:35,790 --> 01:26:33,640
mainstream for for our movies and

1915
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:35,800
compared to our others it the amount of

1916
01:26:41,670 --> 01:26:38,410
people that have viewed it is fairly

1917
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:41,680
obscene for I mean it's it's the movie

1918
01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:43,810
that kind of netted us a distribution

1919
01:26:48,450 --> 01:26:46,180
deal and all that kind of stuff so we're

1920
01:26:50,490 --> 01:26:48,460
you know we're still very independent

1921
01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:50,500
but we did manage to sign with a

1922
01:26:54,090 --> 01:26:52,270
distributor who hasn't bothered to

1923
01:26:57,180 --> 01:26:54,100
release our movies but you know whatever

1924
01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:57,190
I have the same problem with mine yeah I

1925
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:59,820
think we know we know that situation

1926
01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:02,560
yeah I told I actually told my sales

1927
01:27:09,470 --> 01:27:05,740
agent today that that I I don't know how

1928
01:27:15,130 --> 01:27:09,480
I feel about distributors at this point

1929
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:20,060
that is a word that exists so so Peter

1930
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,420
what do you what do you got rolling

1931
01:27:27,470 --> 01:27:23,600
along here in the near future

1932
01:27:29,810 --> 01:27:27,480
well actually we I started putting up I

1933
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:29,820
haven't done our audio blog for a while

1934
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:32,370
audio podcast of the scary stories but

1935
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:34,650
starting today we have a new story every

1936
01:27:38,630 --> 01:27:36,810
day for the rest of October until

1937
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:38,640
Halloween so that's one thing that's

1938
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:39,360
going on

1939
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:43,710
wow it's a lot of work well no I have a

1940
01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:45,810
backlog because I put them up for a

1941
01:27:50,180 --> 01:27:47,310
while so I've been collecting them yeah

1942
01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:50,190
I wanted to do this for October so yeah

1943
01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:52,440
so that's what each one runs how many

1944
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:55,080
minutes well it's the one that's up now

1945
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:56,489
is only like five minutes but some of

1946
01:27:59,450 --> 01:27:58,440
them are longer it's gonna be different

1947
01:28:01,729 --> 01:27:59,460
every day

1948
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:01,739
just really just whatever the stories

1949
01:28:07,010 --> 01:28:04,050
are no simplify some of them are 20

1950
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:07,020
minutes you know in that reach so

1951
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:09,210
usually it's when people's attention

1952
01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:11,970
attention spins or shorter than they

1953
01:28:18,260 --> 01:28:15,960
ever were before yeah but on YouTube the

1954
01:28:20,540 --> 01:28:18,270
longer ones seem to do better

1955
01:28:21,890 --> 01:28:20,550
you know hour to hour video is the one

1956
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:21,900
that's gotten the most views this month

1957
01:28:28,340 --> 01:28:26,130
so our best of so I collect them at once

1958
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:28,350
a month or so once every month or two

1959
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:30,690
into a longer one and that usually it's

1960
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:32,370
a rerun and I try to put one new story

1961
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:33,570
in there and that usually gets more

1962
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:35,520
views than all the some people just wait

1963
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:37,500
for the long ones yeah in the publishing

1964
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:40,650
business we call that a pick up when you

1965
01:28:44,570 --> 01:28:42,060
would rent well yeah when you would run

1966
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:44,580
a material that had been you know called

1967
01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:46,610
from previous issues

1968
01:28:51,470 --> 01:28:49,320
yeah well it's people who like scary

1969
01:28:53,450 --> 01:28:51,480
stories want to listen to it on their

1970
01:28:57,670 --> 01:28:53,460
job if they have a job where like a

1971
01:29:02,780 --> 01:29:00,590
exactly they don't have a job and it

1972
01:29:08,450 --> 01:29:02,790
gives them something to do yeah well

1973
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:08,460
they well they look for what yeah so

1974
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:10,170
that's that's basically what's up with

1975
01:29:16,940 --> 01:29:11,489
us and I'm working on a Christmas album

1976
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:16,950
for my cartoon bands can you tell what

1977
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:19,530
what the average age of your audience is

1978
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:23,280
for the spooky stories on YouTube they

1979
01:29:28,460 --> 01:29:26,250
have stats and demographics but the

1980
01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:28,470
thing is everyone who's young on YouTube

1981
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:30,060
about their age so it's hard to tell the

1982
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,250
ages I can tell the genders and it's

1983
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:34,800
mostly male it's like 67% male some

1984
01:29:40,430 --> 01:29:37,440
months and up to 75% male

1985
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:40,440
but the ages are supposedly you know the

1986
01:29:47,420 --> 01:29:44,960
prime demographic of 21 to like 55 ish

1987
01:29:49,940 --> 01:29:47,430
but I imagine that a lot of them are

1988
01:29:51,470 --> 01:29:49,950
actually kids who just you know say that

1989
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:51,480
they're an adult so they can because if

1990
01:29:54,740 --> 01:29:53,250
you say you're a kid on YouTube there's

1991
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:54,750
a lot of videos that get blocked from

1992
01:30:00,440 --> 01:29:57,570
you so a lot of course Gary for scary

1993
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:00,450
stories I don't know if mine would be

1994
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:02,250
blocked but well some ad blocked ones

1995
01:30:05,870 --> 01:30:03,930
probably would be the ones that YouTube

1996
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:05,880
says really shocking but everything I do

1997
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:09,210
is PG it's all say huh for kids I think

1998
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:13,170
it's no way oh no I was just gonna say

1999
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:16,050
you can tell sometimes the age of the

2000
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:28,650
viewers by the comments yes some people

2001
01:30:32,690 --> 01:30:31,290
are really crude about their comments

2002
01:30:34,940 --> 01:30:32,700
you know here there - getting it for

2003
01:30:38,540 --> 01:30:34,950
free it's not like you're paying for it

2004
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:38,550
and they're so you know like obnoxious

2005
01:30:43,340 --> 01:30:41,490
obnoxious that's the word you and Seth

2006
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:43,350
what do you get down how do people get

2007
01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:44,280
in touch with you Peter

2008
01:30:51,710 --> 01:30:49,080
Oh Peter Bernard calm or the YouTube

2009
01:30:53,660 --> 01:30:51,720
youtube.com slash scary stories NYC or

2010
01:30:58,520 --> 01:30:53,670
Peter Bernard comm slash scary stories

2011
01:31:08,390 --> 01:30:58,530
so it's fine you you guarantee a thrill

2012
01:31:12,380 --> 01:31:08,400
a minute and Seth how do people get to

2013
01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:12,390
your place in time space and time small

2014
01:31:16,670 --> 01:31:14,520
town monster's calm is the best way to

2015
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:16,680
do it and then shop that small town

2016
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:18,000
monster stockholm is where you can get

2017
01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:19,920
DVDs and then all our movies are

2018
01:31:26,270 --> 01:31:22,440
available on amazon mm-hmm

2019
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:26,280
well we wish you both continued success

2020
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:29,970
with Europe your research and your film

2021
01:31:39,620 --> 01:31:32,690
making and your story are telling there

2022
01:31:42,050 --> 01:31:39,630
Peter and Tim you you have any last

2023
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:42,060
minute the comments here before we

2024
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:44,370
close out the evening oh whoa I just

2025
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:47,090
encourage our listeners to to look up

2026
01:31:53,570 --> 01:31:49,770
both of these gentlemen online you know

2027
01:31:56,690 --> 01:31:53,580
Seth's films are just I have enjoyed

2028
01:32:00,260 --> 01:31:56,700
every single one of them and Peter's

2029
01:32:04,190 --> 01:32:00,270
stuff I just I love his stuff I love his

2030
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:04,200
animations and and and his stories you

2031
01:32:09,170 --> 01:32:06,290
know and scary stories on YouTube

2032
01:32:11,450 --> 01:32:09,180
they're just I just I just can't I just

2033
01:32:15,500 --> 01:32:11,460
can't say enough and exploring the

2034
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:15,510
bizarre on YouTube oh my gosh is such a

2035
01:32:20,090 --> 01:32:17,970
fantastic job with us

2036
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:20,100
yeah you know we're worth just watching

2037
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:22,080
the first five or ten minutes for a

2038
01:32:31,310 --> 01:32:28,410
chuckle intense book what is it the

2039
01:32:38,350 --> 01:32:31,320
matrix of flow all the film yeah the the

2040
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:38,360
matrix of the Philippine Beckley yes

2041
01:32:44,780 --> 01:32:41,130
yeah that book I got to meet Jacque

2042
01:32:47,060 --> 01:32:44,790
Valley at the festival and which thank

2043
01:32:48,890 --> 01:32:47,070
you for that that's that's doing it

2044
01:32:52,610 --> 01:32:48,900
quite well and we've also a published

2045
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:52,620
just recently Reverend Barry Downing's a

2046
01:32:57,770 --> 01:32:55,530
book on the flying saucers in the Bible

2047
01:33:01,100 --> 01:32:57,780
this is the first book he's he wrote a

2048
01:33:03,410 --> 01:33:01,110
book in 1968 I think it was as over

2049
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:03,420
fifty years ago came out the same year

2050
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:08,130
as Chariots of the Gods by Erich von

2051
01:33:14,290 --> 01:33:11,570
Daniken and it you know I'm not much on

2052
01:33:17,150 --> 01:33:14,300
Christian The ministers but this one

2053
01:33:19,610 --> 01:33:17,160
Barry downing believes that the there

2054
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:19,620
were physical angels and you know the

2055
01:33:25,010 --> 01:33:21,810
Red Sea really parted it's not a fantasy

2056
01:33:28,820 --> 01:33:25,020
a book per se and he's done a great job

2057
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:28,830
of you know researching the the topic

2058
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:30,810
and it's a if you're interested in that

2059
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:34,320
at all that certainly I must read all

2060
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:36,210
right so we have to say good night Tim

2061
01:33:42,620 --> 01:33:40,440
we do all right so all right good night

2062
01:33:43,930 --> 01:33:42,630
everybody good night Tina good night

2063
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:43,940
Peter

2064
01:33:53,660 --> 01:33:47,520
it says tonight right Madeline starring

2065
01:33:59,900 --> 01:33:56,000
you've been listening to exploring the

2066
01:34:03,140 --> 01:33:59,910
bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky and to

2067
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:03,150
Swartz they're taking back the night by

2068
01:34:08,060 --> 01:34:05,490
jetting non-stop across the cosmos

2069
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:08,070
in search of the truly bizarre and

2070
01:34:14,150 --> 01:34:11,130
totally unexplained with you as their

2071
01:34:18,410 --> 01:34:14,160
combined Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m.

2072
01:34:20,619 --> 01:34:18,420
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2073
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:20,629
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2074
01:34:26,139 --> 01:34:23,209
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2075
01:34:28,810 --> 01:34:26,149
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2076
01:34:31,989 --> 01:34:28,820
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2077
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